Its like Hillary walking into a working class kitchen for the first time.

They’ve been shielded from even critical support of China and other AES for so long they literally, not figuratively, literally cannot process that people exist that have beliefs that aren’t Reddit Approved. They immediately assume it’s bots or wumao. Human beings can’t possibly hold these beliefs, so they must be Oriental hordes or actual robots.

  • CatholicSocialistEnglish
    21·
    11 months ago

    Yeah we’re all libs

    Lmao you admit it.

    Here’s the crazy thing… I can hate America AND China at the same time 😱

    • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      40·
      11 months ago

      Yes we can all do multiple things at the same time, doesn’t change the fact that so long as you hate them equally you’re playing into the hands of the ruling class

      They want you to think China is worse but they’ll settle for you thinking amerikkka isn’t the most evil coutry in the world

      Even if I still believed any of the propaganda about China it still wouldn’t make any sense to focus on them when all of the worst people in the world are running this country and they’re my immediate problem

      Maybe you’ll end up right but at least when China rules the world the food will be better and seeing the empire crumble will be worth whatever the cost is

      • CatholicSocialistEnglish
        31·
        11 months ago

        A new empire rising to replace it won’t make any difference. The human rights abuses in China, while often exaggerated by mainstream media, are very real. Like there might not be a Uyghur genocide but they are VERY discriminated against.

        • MattsAlt [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          38·
          11 months ago

          If you support the Cuban revolution and its government, what do you consider different between them and the CPC?

          Genuine question because Fidel at one point endorsed anti gay policy, Cubans suffer in their country just as Chinese do in theirs. Is it purely a belief in ‘authoritarianism’ in China?

          Or to put it differently, what would have to happen in China for you to believe it is progressing towards socialism?

          • CatholicSocialistEnglish
            21·
            11 months ago

            Does Cuba have billionaires? Does Cuba have hyper market capitalism? No. Cuba actually progresses towards socialism, China might improve quality of life (for the Han majority at least) but they’re clearly not aiming for socialism. And yeah, China’s far more oppressive and authoritarian than Cuba, that sort of thing isn’t compatible with socialism.

            • MattsAlt [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
              34·
              11 months ago

              Do you think if the Cuban revolution had somehow actually happened in China it would have progressed as it had in Cuba?

              Accomplishing rapid growth in the quality of life for hundreds of millions of people is a much different task than doing it for a few million and in a mass of land much larger while located such that it cannot be blockaded and pushed around by the US.

              Why is it that you cannot critically support the Chinese struggle for socialism?

              You would not meet much overt disagreement in saying that the situation of workers in factories is something that must be improved or that there might be questions of state control or rigidity with regards to Uyghurs or LGBTQ+ people. The difference is you seem to ignore why these things may be occuring or dismiss the many achievements of the revolution thus far because there are still areas requiring attention. It is clear that the situation for these groups are improving as well, both as a part of the entire Chinese economy and in their individual qualities of life while the same cannot be said for many people of the world.