Pretty much nothing that the old state stood for, right? They use “German” in a few things, obviously, but they had a different flag and system of state.
See I was wondering that if literal Nazis or people under extreme Nazi propaganda could become communists, then why can’t a few socially conservative people be guided by leftist into being socially progressive? Then there’s talk about patriotism, but also how does one build a movement in a imperialist and divided country like the States?
As mentioned there seems to be an extreme confusion of who we are talking about, and here comes the issues of labels. There is conflation of people labelling themselves with something in actuality they disagree with or people writing off a label that the do agree with! And this is a conundrum of all labels, and how things can twisted. Reasons why scapegoats and mob thought can be brought out of the masses. So when we take this or that side without even defining the boundaries or even seeing what the heads of this or that group state.
As you are the poster of this thread I assume your inbox can tell you this PatSoc question is one for discussion on Lemmy grad. Now I think it’s great we have found an actual debate point, since it means someone will learn something. I look forward to discussing this in Leftist Infighting.
We are stating “facts” instead of asking the bigger questions.
You’ve got some really great questions here! This is definitely something we as a community can use as for some more productive discussions and learning.
Pretty much nothing that the old state stood for, right? They use “German” in a few things, obviously, but they had a different flag and system of state.
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Yeah but how long did it take them to become Patriotic? Weren’t the people literally just Nazis?
I definitely don’t know enough about the GDR! It does seem relevant here, though.
See I was wondering that if literal Nazis or people under extreme Nazi propaganda could become communists, then why can’t a few socially conservative people be guided by leftist into being socially progressive? Then there’s talk about patriotism, but also how does one build a movement in a imperialist and divided country like the States?
As mentioned there seems to be an extreme confusion of who we are talking about, and here comes the issues of labels. There is conflation of people labelling themselves with something in actuality they disagree with or people writing off a label that the do agree with! And this is a conundrum of all labels, and how things can twisted. Reasons why scapegoats and mob thought can be brought out of the masses. So when we take this or that side without even defining the boundaries or even seeing what the heads of this or that group state.
As you are the poster of this thread I assume your inbox can tell you this PatSoc question is one for discussion on Lemmy grad. Now I think it’s great we have found an actual debate point, since it means someone will learn something. I look forward to discussing this in Leftist Infighting.
We are stating “facts” instead of asking the bigger questions.
You’ve got some really great questions here! This is definitely something we as a community can use as for some more productive discussions and learning.
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