China using families as 'hostages' to quash Uyghur dissent abroad
www.bbc.co.uk
Refugees and activists tell the BBC intimidation tactics are tearing apart Uyghur communities overseas.
  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
    2432·
    1 year ago

    PSA: these kinds of threads are a great way to create blocklists of western bootlickers and trolls.

    • mub
      1611·
      1 year ago

      Curious. Seems to work both ways.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
        1616·
        1 year ago

        I don’t have any issue with that, the less toxic people I have to interact with on here the happier I’ll be. I encourage anybody who finds my comments and posts upsetting to block me and move on.

      • DauntingFlamingo
        1015·
        1 year ago

        Don’t feed the troll. He’s an actual professional troll who will try his hardest to drag you into a debate. I like to just keep editing my comments with new links that refute his claims, and that’s when he totally loses it and gives me -30 and himself +55 updoots on a post with a grand total of 18 votes. He’s really aggressive but he’s not very good at his job.

        Edit: I can see he has gone through my post history and downvoted everything so I have 0 or negative karma or whatever it’s called… and he did it a week afterwards. He’s a spiteful little troll, isn’t he? I don’t care about updoots. You can’t silence the truth, you dumb fuck.

        • socsa
          1312·
          1 year ago

          Most notably, they will not actually engage in any real discussion on these topics. They only want to shut down discussion by calling everyone brainwashed. They will offer not a single critical word against China or Russia, past present or future. Obviously this analysis is very noteworthy, and the conjecture that these societies are above reproach makes for a very good faith argument. Especially when combined with the intellectually honest strategy of removing their opponent’s agency by calling them brainwashed. Truly a master debater.

          • GarbageShootAlt2
            53·
            1 year ago

            It’s proof of your integrity that you admit good things about China . . . Because surely you will eventually, right?

            • socsa
              45·
              1 year ago

              I have no idea where you get that idea from. I have tons of praise for China - the culture, the people, the food, the history. I speak ok Mandarin, have family in China and visit once a year typically. I probably have more direct experience with China than anyone on lemmygrad. Unlike those folks, I’m not just here to troll and disrupt conversation. I want to have real conversations about the good as well as the bad. It’s the tankie trolls who will never actually engage in good faith. It’s the surest sign someone is, in fact, just a troll imo.

              • GarbageShootAlt2
                73·
                1 year ago

                You’re changing the question, I mean the Chinese government and so did you in your previous comment. I’m sure you’re aware that “tankies” don’t just give a blanket endorsement of, for example, patriarchal social norms in China, and believe there are many cultural elements which must be the object of struggle. One must conclude that you didn’t include that because it was beyond the scope of your claim when you said “China”.

                What was that about bad faith?

                • socsa
                  27·
                  1 year ago

                  The tankies on Lemmy absolutely give it a blanket endorsement. Trust me I’ve tried many times to seek a real discussion on this topic. Specifically with regard to the hukou caste system and lack of public trials. I think this is very low hanging fruit tbh.

                  • GarbageShootAlt2
                    41·
                    1 year ago

                    You are pushing in the direction of “he said/she said”. If I made a thread over on lemmygrad and actually asked about this, would you accept that as evidence?

    • socsa
      1415·
      1 year ago

      Everyone is brainwashed except for you.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
        1920·
        1 year ago

        Nah, just people who uncritically regurgitate propaganda, and screech about everybody who disagrees with them being a Russian puppet and a tankie whatever that means.

          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
            1211·
            1 year ago

            Yeah, that’s a fair point. It’s important to keep in mind that people are accepting the propaganda because they want to believe it and they understand that it serves their selfish interests.

            • GarbageShootAlt2
              122·
              1 year ago

              Yes, thank you for being understanding. I think it’s better to avoid calling people brainwashed because – as one liberal in this thread pointed out – it denies agency which our interlocutors plainly do have which makes them much more responsible for their bad epistemology than the theory of “brainwashing” allows for.

              If we want to persuade people – and I’ve seen that you have incredible enthusiasm for that cause! – we must do our best to meet them where they actually are rather than where we imagine them to be.

              I’ll get off my soapbox here, I just wanted to mention it. I wish you all the best in your efforts!

        • OurToothbrushM
          168·
          1 year ago

          The most offensive part of being called a tankie is being called British.

        • socsa
          810·
          1 year ago

          And which of those things were you responding to when you yelled “bootlickers” into the void just now?

          Because from my point of view, you are the only one engaging in bad faith personal attacks here.