Well the first the sourcing of all of this. Some “anonymous” source who hacked police databases just happened to send these files to Adrian Zenz of all people, what a cowinkidink scooby!
I heard some people say there were parts of the “data” where different traditional and simplified chinese letters were being used together, though I don’t speak chinese so I’m not sure how significant that is. Even then, it’s interesting to speculate on, but probably not very convincing to normies and certainly shouldn’t be the basis of our understanding of these documents.
Alot of the interpretations of what happened in these documents (assuming they are all real, which is giving alot of trust) are so vague and not contextualized at all. We know there was a rash of saudi fueled extremism in the region, and alot of the major outlets are repeating lines about what some of the charges were. Like one person was charged with “going to a Muslim majority country” and another was “charged with reading scripture”. But it’s like…that doesn’t really tell me alot on it’s own. Did the person who travelled go to like…Syria? Afghanistan? Saudi Arabia? What were they doing there? Was the person reading who was “reading scripture” just reading the quran or could it be possible that they were reading Wahabi scripture? All of the details are curiously left out.
My understanding was that, if these documents are genuine, it’s likely that this is just a normal prison and the people who published the documents may be leaving out important details about what the people were charged with + they claim that this is one of the vocational schools created a few years ago rather than a prison for actual criminals. Is this basically what you’re saying?
I was more curious if anyone had actually identified blatant contradictions, like with Tursunay Ziyawudun (although it’s only been a few days since this was published, AFAICT, so it makes sense)
it’s likely that this is just a normal prison and the people who published the documents may be leaving out important details about what the people were charged with + they claim that this is one of the vocational schools created a few years ago rather than a prison for actual criminals
Mhm! There were also pictures and videos from inside prisons, but I imagine those are reserved for the people who have reason to be there. Alot of it is just kinda suggestively put together to create some aha gotcha gimmick. Like at one point, there was a video of guards with guns with no clips…I mean, yeah you have proof of…a prison drill? Okay?
As far as contradictions go, I guess they’ll emerge in the coming weeks, but this certainly doesn’t add anything new to our understanding of what’s happening.
I can guarantee that plenty of people disregarded his conclusion because he’s Russian (since Russia and China had, and have, such a strong relationship, and even more so these days)
The thing with the letters was that he mixed arab, Chinese and Kanji (Japanese). Now, the arabic can be explained by the Uyghurs being muslim but the Kanji is really out of place.
Well the first the sourcing of all of this. Some “anonymous” source who hacked police databases just happened to send these files to Adrian Zenz of all people, what a cowinkidink scooby!
I heard some people say there were parts of the “data” where different traditional and simplified chinese letters were being used together, though I don’t speak chinese so I’m not sure how significant that is. Even then, it’s interesting to speculate on, but probably not very convincing to normies and certainly shouldn’t be the basis of our understanding of these documents.
Alot of the interpretations of what happened in these documents (assuming they are all real, which is giving alot of trust) are so vague and not contextualized at all. We know there was a rash of saudi fueled extremism in the region, and alot of the major outlets are repeating lines about what some of the charges were. Like one person was charged with “going to a Muslim majority country” and another was “charged with reading scripture”. But it’s like…that doesn’t really tell me alot on it’s own. Did the person who travelled go to like…Syria? Afghanistan? Saudi Arabia? What were they doing there? Was the person reading who was “reading scripture” just reading the quran or could it be possible that they were reading Wahabi scripture? All of the details are curiously left out.
My understanding was that, if these documents are genuine, it’s likely that this is just a normal prison and the people who published the documents may be leaving out important details about what the people were charged with + they claim that this is one of the vocational schools created a few years ago rather than a prison for actual criminals. Is this basically what you’re saying?
I was more curious if anyone had actually identified blatant contradictions, like with Tursunay Ziyawudun (although it’s only been a few days since this was published, AFAICT, so it makes sense)
Mhm! There were also pictures and videos from inside prisons, but I imagine those are reserved for the people who have reason to be there. Alot of it is just kinda suggestively put together to create some aha gotcha gimmick. Like at one point, there was a video of guards with guns with no clips…I mean, yeah you have proof of…a prison drill? Okay?
As far as contradictions go, I guess they’ll emerge in the coming weeks, but this certainly doesn’t add anything new to our understanding of what’s happening.
Sounds about right. Guess they just needed to remind the average liberal what they should think as the UN’s “human rights chief” is visiting Xinjiang
My bet is that she comes back with more or less the same conclusion UN head of counterterror Voronkov had in 2019 😯.
I can guarantee that plenty of people disregarded his conclusion because he’s Russian (since Russia and China had, and have, such a strong relationship, and even more so these days)
They’d probably toss the Organization of Islamic Cooperation’s opinion as well…y’know, for reasons 😐
Dude why do you keep changing the font of your name every day???
“They want to stay on China’s good side”, probably
I’ll have you know that I’ve never changed the font before this, good sir. Only the name itself.
They usually disregard by saying the person was lead around Potemkin villages the entire time.
That, too
I’ve read that it was an anti terrorist drill by the Chinese SWAT. So unrelated to the prison even.
The thing with the letters was that he mixed arab, Chinese and Kanji (Japanese). Now, the arabic can be explained by the Uyghurs being muslim but the Kanji is really out of place.
“Maybe they just confused Chinese script with Kanji. They look the same to me, and I am very smart!”<br>-- arbitrarily selected liberal, probably
at this point i can’t even come with a plausible explanation of how this “gaffe” could have happened