China has secured a virtual monopoly over gallium, a critical mineral used to produce microchips in advanced military technologies. Failing to de-risk gallium supply chains could have serious security and economic consequences for the United States and its allies.
Plays stupid games, win stupid prizes as the saying goes.
Sure, a few decades later US may figure out all the tech needed to mine and refine gallium, develop mines, build refineries, train workers, and so on. In the meantime, Chinese companies will be dominating the tech market while western companies starve.
We actually produce gallium in the US already, the technology for refining it is well established, and you don’t actually mine it directly because it doesn’t really occur by itself - it’s commonly derived in bauxite, which is mined for it’s aluminum content, which I why I mentioned waste products form aluminum refinement, because that’s the most common source for industrial production. Also, other countries can do this, too
You keep using this chart, but it doesn’t mean anything. Just because most countries don’t produce Gallium, doesn’t mean that they’re not easily capable of it. It’s just cheaper for companies to source Chinese gallium. If it were in sharp demand, it would become profitable for domestic refineries to produce.
It means that producing gallium is going to require a significant amount of time. You can’t just magically will mines, refineries, and supply chains into existence. This is going to take years to do. Meanwhile, since China has fully domestic supply chains right now, it’s going to be Chinese companies dominating the global market while these alternative supply chains are built out for western companies.
You know that we can grow the industry in the US pretty trivially, right? And, again, other countries can and do produce it? You’re presenting this as some massive win, when it’s really just someone observing that we should fix that before it becomes a serious problem.
Alas, this isn’t a big deal and you’re going to have to look elsewhere for the defeat of the west. Sorry!
I absolutely know that US is not capable of growing industry trivially. In fact, industry only accounts of around 11% of US GDP at this point. There is also no skilled labour needed to grow the industry. Here’s just one example of that https://www.popsci.com/technology/stinger-missiles-raytheon-ukraine/
Meanwhile, as the chart very clearly shows, other countries produce negligible amounts of gallium. Ramping up production of that overnight isn’t going to happen. The real point here is that gallium and germanium are just a couple of items where China is a bottleneck, and restricting their export is simply demonstration. There are plenty of other things China can cut going forward if US continues to play this game.
China spent decades investing into their industry, and developing the skills needed to have the vertical climb we’re seeing. Nobody has a lock on it, and I never said that others can’t do it. What I said was that it will take significant time to do, and Chinese companies will have a market advantage during that time.
It’s also worth pointing out that the reason China is able to do these things is due to the fact that it retained ability to do state planning and it has large scale state owned industry. On the other hand, US ended up being largely deindustrialized because it’s run by financial capitalists who don’t see such industry as being profitable. I recommend reading this article explaining the dynamics of this https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2021/08/the-value-of-nothing-capital-versus-growth/
US would need to either provide massive subsidies for businesses to make this appealing or create its own state industry. Seems to me that neither option is likely given the current political climate in US and the financial situation it finds itself in.
It’s strange that you’re down voted for this. If I was in the US, I would care very deeply about why my economy was like it is and how it could be fixed.
Even if I didn’t agree with the China model, I would appreciate a rigorous analysis the pointed out the flaws in my country’s own model. Perhaps the most curious thing is that—and I may be wrong—the people down voting you probably see themselves as patriotic Americans.
You’re not even saying anything that mainstream economists like Ha-Joon Chang might say.
Sure, a few decades later US may figure out all the tech needed to mine and refine gallium, develop mines, build refineries, train workers, and so on. In the meantime, Chinese companies will be dominating the tech market while western companies starve.
We actually produce gallium in the US already, the technology for refining it is well established, and you don’t actually mine it directly because it doesn’t really occur by itself - it’s commonly derived in bauxite, which is mined for it’s aluminum content, which I why I mentioned waste products form aluminum refinement, because that’s the most common source for industrial production. Also, other countries can do this, too
But, sure.
here’s a reality check for you
You keep using this chart, but it doesn’t mean anything. Just because most countries don’t produce Gallium, doesn’t mean that they’re not easily capable of it. It’s just cheaper for companies to source Chinese gallium. If it were in sharp demand, it would become profitable for domestic refineries to produce.
It means that producing gallium is going to require a significant amount of time. You can’t just magically will mines, refineries, and supply chains into existence. This is going to take years to do. Meanwhile, since China has fully domestic supply chains right now, it’s going to be Chinese companies dominating the global market while these alternative supply chains are built out for western companies.
You know that we can grow the industry in the US pretty trivially, right? And, again, other countries can and do produce it? You’re presenting this as some massive win, when it’s really just someone observing that we should fix that before it becomes a serious problem.
Alas, this isn’t a big deal and you’re going to have to look elsewhere for the defeat of the west. Sorry!
I absolutely know that US is not capable of growing industry trivially. In fact, industry only accounts of around 11% of US GDP at this point. There is also no skilled labour needed to grow the industry. Here’s just one example of that https://www.popsci.com/technology/stinger-missiles-raytheon-ukraine/
Meanwhile, as the chart very clearly shows, other countries produce negligible amounts of gallium. Ramping up production of that overnight isn’t going to happen. The real point here is that gallium and germanium are just a couple of items where China is a bottleneck, and restricting their export is simply demonstration. There are plenty of other things China can cut going forward if US continues to play this game.
I love your desperation.
I’ve just stated the basic facts of the situation, desperation is all on your end it seems.
k
China can have a near vertical climb in production (your chart) but no one else can?
The vertical change takes planning and time, but no one has a lock on it. Especially if it becomes a strategic resource (and it has).
China spent decades investing into their industry, and developing the skills needed to have the vertical climb we’re seeing. Nobody has a lock on it, and I never said that others can’t do it. What I said was that it will take significant time to do, and Chinese companies will have a market advantage during that time.
It’s also worth pointing out that the reason China is able to do these things is due to the fact that it retained ability to do state planning and it has large scale state owned industry. On the other hand, US ended up being largely deindustrialized because it’s run by financial capitalists who don’t see such industry as being profitable. I recommend reading this article explaining the dynamics of this https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2021/08/the-value-of-nothing-capital-versus-growth/
US would need to either provide massive subsidies for businesses to make this appealing or create its own state industry. Seems to me that neither option is likely given the current political climate in US and the financial situation it finds itself in.
It’s strange that you’re down voted for this. If I was in the US, I would care very deeply about why my economy was like it is and how it could be fixed.
Even if I didn’t agree with the China model, I would appreciate a rigorous analysis the pointed out the flaws in my country’s own model. Perhaps the most curious thing is that—and I may be wrong—the people down voting you probably see themselves as patriotic Americans.
You’re not even saying anything that mainstream economists like Ha-Joon Chang might say.
Turns out any suggestion that China is able to do something that US can’t is not something people coming from reddit can tolerate.