i was thinking last night about how sad it is that the main content out there for our young men to consume is basically reactionary dumbasses interviewing celebs or athletes or whatever. i was thinking it would be cool if a podcast existed that was just like regular dudes and getting their thoughts on masculinity, the family, relationships etc

the types of topics young men might be interested in and look to their fathers for guidance but not everyone has that, or some fathers are shitheads

is there anything like that out there? and if not would anyone be interested in recording some interviews and seeing if its any good?

i was thinking about trying to come up with like 3-4 questions to start as a template to ask everyone then following the conversation and seeing where it goes from there

i also just had a high abv beer and have adhd so i might never follow up on this lol

  • Murple_27English
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    9 hours ago

    One podcast episode will never hook these people to listen to more: the strategy must begin elsewhere (like shaming or women denying them their objectification) so that reflection is required. But that reflection is most successful when they are confronted directly.

    I’m gonna be direct with you here, no amount of personal or public shaming has ever gotten me to change any view I’ve ever had; definitely not from strangers on the internet. It usually just makes me see whoever is trying to shame me as a personal enemy, not somebody to suck up to. The only time I’ve ever actually changed my opinion on anything (with regards to fundamental values & not simple “facts about the world”) is when they either directly conflicted with me achieving my own goals, or it resulted in somebody I care about getting hurt & I felt bad about that.

    I don’t think that shaming men is going to result in any kind of general shift in behavior, especially since that’s kind of been the default way of engaging with men from a Feminist position generally for as long as it’s been a thing. You have to highlight either how it actively impedes them from achieving what they want, or harms people they actually care about.

    • MLRL_Commie [comrade/them, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      1·
      9 hours ago

      I never said online, and in fact had in mind direct confrontation from people physically near you. I’m thinking here of a woman calling a misogynist a pig. But I also think that “shaming” as a tactic hasn’t succeeded because of the material conditions of men in society, of course. So the ones who are salvageable will change after some shaming (and I will admit to being raised misogynistically and leaving that behind after being confronted by people, so I’m a direct example), and those who aren’t won’t be saved. The big shift people have imagined +and blame feminism for not achieving) is entirely because of the patriarchal society and it’s structures reinforcing misogyny.

      • Murple_27English
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        8 hours ago

        But I also think that “shaming” as a tactic hasn’t succeeded because of the material conditions of men in society, of course.

        In considering material conditions, there is what one is able to do as a consequence of the position that they hold in relation to others; and there is what one needs to do in order to secure their survival & posterity. If it is always a conflict between the personal agency of women & the ability of men to secure their livelihoods, then most men are always going to at some level resent that agency, or the choices made with it. Hence, the drive to create a Patriarchal society.

        Dissolving that drive is a challenge of reconciling the ability of men to meet their material needs, with the freedom & agency of women.

        Edit: I should clarify that this is meant to engage with the question of how to stop men being personally misogynistic, not how to empower women to combat it. These are two different questions, with different answers, although the latter is probably more important historically.

        So the ones who are salvageable will change after some shaming… and those who aren’t won’t be saved.

        What is this Christian Evangelical/Calvinist nonsense?

        • MLRL_Commie [comrade/them, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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          4 hours ago

          Who is the revolutionary subject in the class struggle between men and women? My point is this: the people who can see oppression of women and want to change it can be “saved” in the sense that they can be non-misogynyst and work towards the Liberation of women. The others are not subjects to be worked with on this front, and due to their material conditions won’t be until we can shift those conditions.

          This is all in response to the idea of a leftist pipeline through a “leftist Joe Rogan” or something of the sort. My point is that there is nobody who is important to work with on the topic who will be moved at all by such a thing. It’s a tactic which mismatches with the target group. The people for whom a pipeline is needed won’t react to it (because of material conditions at the moment) so the focus should be on their conditions. The people who would react to that pipeline wouldn’t have any interest in it, because they are already sympathetic.

          It might help some very unique cases, but it’s not relevant to any bigger movement.