• Cowbee [he/they]
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    3 months ago

    There’s no Value created by risk, that’s an ad-hoc justification for profiting endlessly off of labor performed one time long ago.

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      3 months ago

      Houses are not “one time labor.”. Housing requires constant scheduled maintenance and upkeep over time.

      Not to mention the financing required to pay for it all,which is normally spread over 30 years.

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        Building a house is one time. Maintenance creates Value, yes, but one only needs to compare the cost of maintaining a house with the cost of renting it to see that the vast majority of profits come from rent-seeking. It’s non-productive extraction.

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      3 months ago

      car and house Insurance both provide value by reducing the capital investment required to continue having an item, landlords reduce the upfront cost of housing by charging a continuous fee instead of a lump sum.

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        3 months ago

        Insurance is perhaps the peak of Financial Capital masquerading as Value.

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              Rent seeking does create value: it provides a place to live. That is tangible value. There is no “one time labor” in this equation. The landlord continually pays taxes, insurance, maintenance, and other regular outgoings regardless of whether he bought the house outright or not.

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                The tenants literally pay the taxes, insurance and maintenance in their rent payment. When any of these inflates, so does the rent unless there are protections in place.

                So being a landlord means someone else pays the mortgage for your unit.

                The only thing that could be seen as a service are short term rental, and even then, it was abused to death by the AirBnB/VRBO and any other short term rental service.

                Rent seeking is the most capitalistic thing someone can do : you use your money to get someone else to pay your rent. You do the minimal maintenance that you can get away with, and when you actually do real maintenance, your tenants get a rent hike.

                If there weren’t any landlord, there would still be housing. But a lot more people would own the place they live in, at a reasonable price, instead of housing being used as an investment vehicule.

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                  the most capitalistic thing someone can do: you use your money to get someone else to pay [you]. You [lower your overheads as much as] you can get away with, and when you actually [maintain or improve your assets], your [customers] get a [cost increase].

                  Your argument is more aligned to capitalism in general rather than something particular to landlording. Your argument is applicable to leased vehicles and other businesses as well. Your argument incorrectly rests on an assumption that landlords simply raise rent high enough to cover all their overheads, but like any other business, landlords are beholden to market rates. If the rent is too high, then you have a smaller pool of potential tenants and it’s less likely they will be long-term tenants. Also, if a landlord has mortgaged a house to rent out, it’s unlikely that the rent he can collect would come near to covering the sum of the mortgage, the rental-insurance costs, the property taxes, maintenance, and other services. Property taxes alone can be several month’s rent. Whenever someone assumes that mortgaged landlords are skating on rental income, I assume that someone doesn’t know the true costs of owning a house.

                  What’s really happening for mortgaged landlords is that they are using your rent to build equity in their investment faster than they could otherwise.

                  The prevalent anti-landlord sentiment seems mostly to stem from bad experiences, rising rental costs, and the notion that landlords are somehow “getting something for nothing”. Only the first two points are fair grievances. If you’re going to take it further and propose that the owner of an asset (real estate or otherwise) cannot hire their property out, then you are striking at Capitalism itself. If you then nuance your argument by proposing that housing is a special case, and that housing rentals should not be a thing because we all need houses, then you’re obliged to consider other businesses as well. One might consider owning a vehicle essential to life; should we do away with car rentals? After all, you’re paying Hertz’s overheads. Groceries? We all need to eat right?

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                3 months ago

                That’s useful, but not Value. Value isn’t as simple as “use.”