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    Neither part of that is remotely true. Putin has not claimed all of Ukraine, and he has offered to negotiate. For example.

    It’s Ukraine and the US that have refused to negotiate.

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      Your link says he wants to keep all of Ukraine he captured as an essential part of the so-called negotiation. That is about as serious an offer to negotiate a ceasefire as what Israel has put on the table and I think you know that.

      Also:

      In his 2021 essay “On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians”, Putin claimed there is “no historical basis” for the “idea of Ukrainian people as a nation separate from the Russians”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Denying_Ukrainian_nationhood_and_statehood

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        A ceasefire along current lines is a hell of a lot more realistic than demanding a full withdrawal as a precondition for talks.

        It seems like just a bit of a leap to go from an essay challenging the idea of Ukrainian nationhood to saying that Putin will reject all negotiations and won’t accept anything less than full annexation.

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          Do you think Hamas would accept a ceasefire along current lines?

          Did you notice where I showed you that Putin thinks all of Ukraine is Russian? Because you didn’t mention it despite claiming that he didn’t think that.

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            I don’t consider the Palestinian genocide to be a comparable situation.

            What I said is that Russia is willing to negotiate and doesn’t demand full annexation, as you claimed. This is objectively true, as evidenced by the link where they offered a ceasefire along current lines. I’ve yet to see you admit to being wrong about that.

            The essay you linked does not show your false claim about demanding nothing less than full annexation to be true.

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              And now you’re lying. This is what you said:

              Putin has not claimed all of Ukraine

              He literally claims all of Ukraine in that essay.

              I don’t think it is worth continuing if you’re just going to lie.

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                You’re making another giant leap again. His essay just questions Ukraine’s national identity, that’s not the same the same as asserting a right to all of Ukraine’s territory. I have not lied, and I won’t continue either unless you apologize for that false accusation.

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                  Putin claimed there is “no historical basis” for the “idea of Ukrainian people as a nation separate from the Russians”

                  He’s literally saying Ukraine and Russia are the same nation. How much more blatant does he have to be?

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                    He’s making a claim about history that seeks to delegitimize the Ukrainian government, but that is not the same thing as saying that all Ukrainian territory belongs to Russia. At present, it’s just a theoretical argument.