• Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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    2 months ago

    And now you’re lying. This is what you said:

    Putin has not claimed all of Ukraine

    He literally claims all of Ukraine in that essay.

    I don’t think it is worth continuing if you’re just going to lie.

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      2 months ago

      You’re making another giant leap again. His essay just questions Ukraine’s national identity, that’s not the same the same as asserting a right to all of Ukraine’s territory. I have not lied, and I won’t continue either unless you apologize for that false accusation.

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        2 months ago

        Putin claimed there is “no historical basis” for the “idea of Ukrainian people as a nation separate from the Russians”

        He’s literally saying Ukraine and Russia are the same nation. How much more blatant does he have to be?

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          2 months ago

          He’s making a claim about history that seeks to delegitimize the Ukrainian government, but that is not the same thing as saying that all Ukrainian territory belongs to Russia. At present, it’s just a theoretical argument.

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            He’s making a claim about history that seeks to delegitimize the Ukrainian government, but that is not the same thing as saying that all Ukrainian territory belongs to Russia.

            Please back this up with evidence. I gave you a direct quote.

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              Putin claimed there is “no historical basis” for the “idea of Ukrainian people as a nation separate from the Russians”

              There’s your evidence. Don’t know what else to tell you. He could try to use that argument to claim all of Ukraine’s territory, but he has not claimed all of Ukraine’s territory, the quote simply does not show him doing that.

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                What quote are you reading? That is literally him claiming that.

                This is some weird as fuck gaslighting.

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                  2 months ago

                  It’s literally not.

                  In the essay, Putin argues that Russians and Ukrainians, along with Belarusians, are one people, belonging to what has historically been known as the triune Russian nation.

                  Do you think he’s also claiming Belarus?