…unless they also condemn the USA for invading Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.

Most European territories serve the USA’s geopolitical goals. Sanctions against Russia right now are part of that. There’s nothing moral about it. It’s simply a service to the USA for being in its sphere of influence. There is nothing, not a single shred of integrity in that.

If you find a territory which sanctions Russia for its crime, and also the USA for its crimes, you can recognise it as a real principled act.

  • hanabatake
    82·
    3 years ago

    I did not state that the situation was fair in Iraq. In fact, I condemn the American invasions. So, I also condemn Russian invasion for the very same reasons.

    To come back on the false allegation of Putin that there is a genocide.

    And genocide often happens during wartime, so the fact that there was a civil war does not preclude a genocide at all.

    I totally agree with you. However, this is not a genocide for two reasons: there is no will to destroy Ethnic Russians of Ukraine and 99.9% of the Ethnic Russians of Donetsk and Luhansk survived this so-called genocide.

    I suppose your figures are true, which means 14.000 civilians of Ethnic Russians were killed by the Ukrainian regime. There are more than 6 millions people living living in Donetsk and Luhansk, around 40% are Russians. It means 0.1% of them were killed. To compare, between 60 and 75% of Armenian were killed during the genocide in the first world war, depending of estimations.

    Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people, usually defined as an ethnic, national, racial, or religious group. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide)

    Don’t get me wrong: It is a tragedy but it is no genocide.

    This war will kill thousands of Ukrainians and Russians for no justifiable reason. Trying to justify it because “NATO imperialism” is just nationalism. I don’t think leftists should accept and repeat such propaganda.

    • guojing
      47·
      3 years ago

      Sorry but you clearly dont know what you are talking about. A genocide is not defined by the number of people killed, but by its goals. And the goals were clearly to “remove” all ethnic Russians from Ukraine. Luckily that was not achieved, because LDNR militias defeated Ukronazis on the battlefield.

      Even Ukrainian TV is openly calling for genocide of Russians at this point. Of course, western media is silent about that. Also, use of the Russian language was banned in Ukraine years ago.

      https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/03/16/nazi-ukraine-tv-presenter-calls-for-genocide-of-russians/

      • hanabatake
        81·
        3 years ago

        I agree, the intention is an important part. But the genocide is not the “intention of destruction” but the “intentional destruction”. So the figure are also important. Seen the figure, no genocide has occurred.

        However, I continue to think there is no legitimate reason for Putin to invade. If there were Ukraine’s intention to destroy the Russian Ethnic, how do you explain such low mortality if there were a genocide ? It has been 8 years!

        Sorry but the video is unrelated. It is released after the invasion. The guy is a POS, tho

        • guojing
          27·
          3 years ago

          Its amazing. There is supposedly a genocide happening in Xinjiang, without evidence that even a single person was killed. In Donbass, Ukraine fired with artillery and warplanes into city centers every day over 8 years, and that is somehow completely normal and acceptable? Do you think people simply get used to having their homes bombed?

          I also wonder what specific number or percentage you would consider a “legitimate genocide”. 10%, 50% or even 90% ? Does the percentage change when the genocide is happening in another country?

          • hanabatake
            71·
            3 years ago

            how do you explain such low mortality if there were a genocide ? It has been 8 years!

            You did not answer the question.

            Words have a meaning. Ambiguity is a logical fallacy that Putin is using to justify war.

            • guojing
              23·
              3 years ago

              You must have very short attention span.

              Luckily that was not achieved, because LDNR militias defeated Ukronazis on the battlefield.