i’ve been told so many times on the lemmyverse that holding biden, trump and kamala accountable, in the only way that i can, for supporting genocide brands me a single issue voter; it’s nice to see a reminder that others out there understand how truly morally bereft it is and give it the weight it deserves.
i suppose stop paying attention and shut up like the mods & users of lemmy.world and reddit keep pushing me to do.
honestly, i think that if hadn’t have suffered as much as i did at the hands at biden, obama, both bush’s & clinton i would probably agree with them.
my suffering PALES in comparison in ways that i don’t want to imagine for those suffering in gaza and sharing my views and voting accordingly is easy now that i no longer live in texas, so i’ll keep doing it; it’s just nice to see the it’s not the same 8 or 9 dozen lemmyverse users who also feel this way.
so long as american bombs, american soldiers, or american money touch your country; you too will be impacted by this race.
the only way to plausibly ignore it is to be russian, chinese or western european; everyone else is the world is kowtowed to american hegemony, willing or not.
Even if we are under US hegemony, we don’t have a horse in the race. US foreign policy is dependent on the decades of built up institutions and material forces beyond any individual’s control. There is no meaningful difference depending on who is president besides optics.
What’s an alternative that won’t end up seating an insurrectionist leading a party that wants to nuke Gaza and send the National Guard to beat the shit out of protestors before moving on to ensuring Ukraine is wiped out?
Literally expand your political imagination outside of the presidency please. Democrats are doing genocide right now, things are going to keep getting worse the longer we don’t build up a mass workers party. You can vote for Harris in November but building up a counter to Democrats and Republicans should be your primary concern.
I find this quite disingenuous. No one said that they are only thinking about the presidency? I sure as hell am not. I do everything I can in my local area to have socialist and leftist candidates representing me. A thing I have a tangible effect on. I also don’t want to get labeled a child molester and be executed come January due to project 2025. Harm reduction is a real and valid goal. Just because someone wants that doesn’t mean they aren’t trying to do other things that can help
I find this quite disingenuous. No one said that they are only thinking about the presidency? I sure as hell am not. I do everything I can in my local area to have socialist and leftist candidates representing me.
Expand your political imagination, this isn’t enough if you want to fight fascism.
The primary concern is keeping Repubs from taking over and ending elections, a prerequisite for your mass workers party to be viable. I would love to vote for that. Until the nation soundly rejects Repub fascism or changes to a sane voting system it isn’t really an option.
Insurrection against the US government is not a bad thing.
nuke gaza, beating protestors, ensuring ukraine is wiped out
This is happening right now under Biden. Casualties in Gaza are estimated to be on the order of 200,000 (the official numbers have stayed around 40,000 for so long now because the health ministry’s capabilities have been decimated). Protestors are being beating, not just in the US tbf, also across the whole of the “democratic” and “free” west. Ukraine has been utterly failed by the western powers who have opposed both a peaceful settlement to the conflict or fully committing. Once the war ends, it doesn’t matter if Biden or Trump is in charge. Ukraine will be looted again just like Russia in the 1990s.
Not sure if you’re projecting Democrats beatdowns on anti Genocide protesters and their Genocide on the Republicans or are just in Blue Maga mode right now.
I’m not, the Repubs have been agitating for really going after protesters. In addition to wanting to end voting, turn women into incubators, and such. They want to execute our LGBT neighbors.
“Blue MAGA” won’t become a real thing if you keep saying it, it just shows that you’re completely out of touch with reality.
I’m sure you care so much about LGBT right and aren’t just using it as an excuse to push an agenda. Just like you care so much about brown people being Genocided by the Democrats.
That they should abolish (or at the least push for drastic, dramatic reforms, not promises of gradual reform maybe someday during election season but a mass movement, amendments, political action, pressure groups, etc) such a system rather than participate and kick the can down along the road.
Also that their rights will be taken away regardless if they’re going to lose them.
Biden has done nothing to reverse what Trump has done, he postures, he does a few meaningless policies but at the back of it all he doesn’t value the lives of those people you claim to care about because he won’t stack the Supreme Court, because he and Kamala and the rest of the Democratic party are not interested in actually fighting the Republicans. Their theatrics that Trump is Hitler 2.0 shows them to be either people who want to enable Hitler 2.0 because they obviously aren’t fighting tooth and nail and are quick to condemn someone trying to kill him (when let’s be honest, most of us wouldn’t condemn a person who shot at Hitler) OR people who don’t truly believe that but know it’s good branding. Either way they’re not a party worth voting for, worth endorsing or worth considering as a real option to protect the vulnerable in this country or any other.
Fact is Republicans do the dirty deeds, Democrats put some peace paint and pride symbols on things but don’t undo those dirty deeds. During Trump’s term pundits and the Democratic party sobbed and wailed about “kids in cages” on the border and yet when Biden continued it? Nothing but silence. And Kamala’s campaign is ramping up and leaning into that border racism by the way.
the person you’re responding to is making the generic liberal assumption that biden’s policies are too far progressive to ever hurt anybody’s life and trying to make the point that i’m being dismissive of what trump and republicans are trying to do.
i have receipts so i already know that they’re merely towing the party propaganda line; but thank you nonetheless for articulating these points.
their lives will be slightly less impacted than mine thanks to biden, clinton, both bushes & obamas’ support for executive order 10450; don’t ask, don’t tell; defensive of marriage act; student loan debt; draconian immigration policy & blocking truly affordable EV’s with tariffs.
i’ve had the joy of experiencing my life partner deported; my life along with my livelihood dismantled; arrested for simply being brown, gay & willing to stand up for myself; losing multiple jobs because of those laws; and then trapped into inescapable debt until i die because of those & policies laws that every single one of those guys fully supported (and created) up until they needed my vote.
if they’re not american; then they get to experience genocide and a coup d’etat’s; all fully supported by those same people.
if you’re referring to project 2025; then you should know that it’s been in existence since 1980 and every single one of those politicians; especially biden; have enacted nearly 75% of project 2025’s recommendations since then; it’s not the boogeyman that they told you to be afraid of.
Anyone complaining about all the terrible things that might happen to people under Trump hasn’t been in Texas or Florida over the last four years.
It’s nauseating to see Democrats throw their liberal fellows in arms under the bus, election cycle after election cycle, on the grounds that they deserve to suffer for having a fascist governor.
Gay marriage was also illegal in Mexico; I would have been deported and that doesn’t even consider that I wouldn’t be able to make a living so we would both be dependent on his income which is unrealistic since pay rates there average around $300 per month for all my relatives.
SSM was legalized under ALMO back in 2022. Incidentally, quite a few Americans absolutely hate ALMO for falling to endorse the continued embargoes of Cuba and Venezuela, and the genocide in Gaza.
All that is already happening under a democrat administration. What power do Americans have other than protest or vote? We’ve tried protesting; we got shot. So, maybe the only way forward is to NOT vote for a democrat UNTIL they develop a HARD stance against genocide and therefore, Israel.
All we have left is to threaten that, if democrats don’t stop supporting genocide, we won’t vote for them.
There is a strong chance that even if Biden Kamla wins the election, the GOP will simply pull a coup like they did in 2000, or tried in 2021. The dems will almost certainly do nothing to resist, and may in fact even willingly hand over power like they did in 2000.
Had me check the post’s date haha, but yeah no chance the GOP accepts a loss, and right wing militias have ramped up their recruitment. Minorities really should organize & arm up
The one difference I have here is Harris is kind of trapped. She doesn’t have the authority to sanction anyone or stop weapons shipments. So all she could really do is resign. And that’s pretty much political suicide. As things stand I think she’s our best hope to stop those shipments. It’s not a very bright hope I admit. But of the three she’s it.
she needs to speak out & issue statements against it as publicly and frequently as possible to make it clear that she intends to stop american support for the genocide to get people to vote for her.
From the objective POV, that’s what we want. Not what she needs. Everything I’ve ever learned about politics says don’t go radical in the campaign unless you’re desperate. And by radical I don’t mean ideologically. I mean going where the polls are less than 60-99 percent in favor of something. And that has to be micro as well. For example it doesn’t help her if she goes hard left if the state she needs to win doesn’t have a hard left population big enough to support that. Or worse, she trades a state for it.
We really have the world’s worst way of electing our Executive. So she’s going to stay in that position of demanding a cease fire, and talking about civilian casualties until the campaign is over. And she’s right to do so unless there’s polling to say that’s more harmful to her than making a statement to take a side with Palestinians.
I would love for her to come over and fully denounce Israel. But the politics of the situation don’t allow for it. She’s not tarred in the same way as Biden and she’s going to stay neutral as long as she can.
I would love for her to come over and fully denounce Israel. But the politics of the situation don’t allow for it. She’s not tarred in the same way as Biden and she’s going to stay neutral as long as she can.
i’ve assumed this is why she had to meet with netanyahu in private after he addressed congress; something of an overture to those who boycotted it.
and i wish she had less of biden’s political tar on her so that i could be happy w the statement released after that private meeting to nudge that voting needle towards kamala instead of west or stein.
i’ve been told so many times on the lemmyverse that holding biden, trump and kamala accountable, in the only way that i can, for supporting genocide brands me a single issue voter; it’s nice to see a reminder that others out there understand how truly morally bereft it is and give it the weight it deserves.
thanks for sharing; i needed to see it.
What’s your alternative?
i suppose stop paying attention and shut up like the mods & users of lemmy.world and reddit keep pushing me to do.
honestly, i think that if hadn’t have suffered as much as i did at the hands at biden, obama, both bush’s & clinton i would probably agree with them.
my suffering PALES in comparison in ways that i don’t want to imagine for those suffering in gaza and sharing my views and voting accordingly is easy now that i no longer live in texas, so i’ll keep doing it; it’s just nice to see the it’s not the same 8 or 9 dozen lemmyverse users who also feel this way.
It was an honest question, I’m not from the US, so I have no horse in the race.
everyone does; whether or not you’re american.
I mean I guess I’d rather Trump didn’t win, but I can’t do anything about it. So no, I have no horse in the race.
so long as american bombs, american soldiers, or american money touch your country; you too will be impacted by this race.
the only way to plausibly ignore it is to be russian, chinese or western european; everyone else is the world is kowtowed to american hegemony, willing or not.
Even if we are under US hegemony, we don’t have a horse in the race. US foreign policy is dependent on the decades of built up institutions and material forces beyond any individual’s control. There is no meaningful difference depending on who is president besides optics.
I don’t
that’s only true if you’re somehow insulated from american hegemony.
Depends… We’re all interconnected on some level. But i don’t care anymore.
The Green party and Cornel West are alternatives.
What’s an alternative that won’t end up seating an insurrectionist leading a party that wants to nuke Gaza and send the National Guard to beat the shit out of protestors before moving on to ensuring Ukraine is wiped out?
Literally expand your political imagination outside of the presidency please. Democrats are doing genocide right now, things are going to keep getting worse the longer we don’t build up a mass workers party. You can vote for Harris in November but building up a counter to Democrats and Republicans should be your primary concern.
I find this quite disingenuous. No one said that they are only thinking about the presidency? I sure as hell am not. I do everything I can in my local area to have socialist and leftist candidates representing me. A thing I have a tangible effect on. I also don’t want to get labeled a child molester and be executed come January due to project 2025. Harm reduction is a real and valid goal. Just because someone wants that doesn’t mean they aren’t trying to do other things that can help
Expand your political imagination, this isn’t enough if you want to fight fascism.
The primary concern is keeping Repubs from taking over and ending elections, a prerequisite for your mass workers party to be viable. I would love to vote for that. Until the nation soundly rejects Repub fascism or changes to a sane voting system it isn’t really an option.
Lol worker’s parties don’t need bourgeois elections to win power. See, China, ussr, Cuba
Insurrection against the US government is not a bad thing.
This is happening right now under Biden. Casualties in Gaza are estimated to be on the order of 200,000 (the official numbers have stayed around 40,000 for so long now because the health ministry’s capabilities have been decimated). Protestors are being beating, not just in the US tbf, also across the whole of the “democratic” and “free” west. Ukraine has been utterly failed by the western powers who have opposed both a peaceful settlement to the conflict or fully committing. Once the war ends, it doesn’t matter if Biden or Trump is in charge. Ukraine will be looted again just like Russia in the 1990s.
The Green party and Cornel West
Not sure if you’re projecting Democrats beatdowns on anti Genocide protesters and their Genocide on the Republicans or are just in Blue Maga mode right now.
I’m not, the Repubs have been agitating for really going after protesters. In addition to wanting to end voting, turn women into incubators, and such. They want to execute our LGBT neighbors.
“Blue MAGA” won’t become a real thing if you keep saying it, it just shows that you’re completely out of touch with reality.
You mean like the Democrats which are paid by Zionists to violently crack down on student protesters?
And
And
I’m sure you care so much about LGBT right and aren’t just using it as an excuse to push an agenda. Just like you care so much about brown people being Genocided by the Democrats.
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Are you even American? It’s getting more and more obvious most of these Blue MAGA commenters have no understanding of American politics
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That they should abolish (or at the least push for drastic, dramatic reforms, not promises of gradual reform maybe someday during election season but a mass movement, amendments, political action, pressure groups, etc) such a system rather than participate and kick the can down along the road.
Also that their rights will be taken away regardless if they’re going to lose them.
Biden has done nothing to reverse what Trump has done, he postures, he does a few meaningless policies but at the back of it all he doesn’t value the lives of those people you claim to care about because he won’t stack the Supreme Court, because he and Kamala and the rest of the Democratic party are not interested in actually fighting the Republicans. Their theatrics that Trump is Hitler 2.0 shows them to be either people who want to enable Hitler 2.0 because they obviously aren’t fighting tooth and nail and are quick to condemn someone trying to kill him (when let’s be honest, most of us wouldn’t condemn a person who shot at Hitler) OR people who don’t truly believe that but know it’s good branding. Either way they’re not a party worth voting for, worth endorsing or worth considering as a real option to protect the vulnerable in this country or any other.
Fact is Republicans do the dirty deeds, Democrats put some peace paint and pride symbols on things but don’t undo those dirty deeds. During Trump’s term pundits and the Democratic party sobbed and wailed about “kids in cages” on the border and yet when Biden continued it? Nothing but silence. And Kamala’s campaign is ramping up and leaning into that border racism by the way.
the person you’re responding to is making the generic liberal assumption that biden’s policies are too far progressive to ever hurt anybody’s life and trying to make the point that i’m being dismissive of what trump and republicans are trying to do.
i have receipts so i already know that they’re merely towing the party propaganda line; but thank you nonetheless for articulating these points.
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legit answer:
their lives will be slightly less impacted than mine thanks to biden, clinton, both bushes & obamas’ support for executive order 10450; don’t ask, don’t tell; defensive of marriage act; student loan debt; draconian immigration policy & blocking truly affordable EV’s with tariffs.
i’ve had the joy of experiencing my life partner deported; my life along with my livelihood dismantled; arrested for simply being brown, gay & willing to stand up for myself; losing multiple jobs because of those laws; and then trapped into inescapable debt until i die because of those & policies laws that every single one of those guys fully supported (and created) up until they needed my vote.
if they’re not american; then they get to experience genocide and a coup d’etat’s; all fully supported by those same people.
if you’re referring to project 2025; then you should know that it’s been in existence since 1980 and every single one of those politicians; especially biden; have enacted nearly 75% of project 2025’s recommendations since then; it’s not the boogeyman that they told you to be afraid of.
Anyone complaining about all the terrible things that might happen to people under Trump hasn’t been in Texas or Florida over the last four years.
It’s nauseating to see Democrats throw their liberal fellows in arms under the bus, election cycle after election cycle, on the grounds that they deserve to suffer for having a fascist governor.
Terrifying. At this point I’d probably ask for asylum somewhere else.
I’m truly sorry to hear that random Internet stranger. Why don’t you follow him if i might ask?
follow who and for what?
him?
Gay marriage was also illegal in Mexico; I would have been deported and that doesn’t even consider that I wouldn’t be able to make a living so we would both be dependent on his income which is unrealistic since pay rates there average around $300 per month for all my relatives.
Didn’t know Mexico was as backwards as the US :( I guess my view of Mexico was too romantic and to be scratched off my bucket-list. I’m sorry man :(
It was almost 15 years ago now so the pity isn’t necessary, but thanks for saying nonetheless.
SSM was legalized under ALMO back in 2022. Incidentally, quite a few Americans absolutely hate ALMO for falling to endorse the continued embargoes of Cuba and Venezuela, and the genocide in Gaza.
All that is already happening under a democrat administration. What power do Americans have other than protest or vote? We’ve tried protesting; we got shot. So, maybe the only way forward is to NOT vote for a democrat UNTIL they develop a HARD stance against genocide and therefore, Israel.
All we have left is to threaten that, if democrats don’t stop supporting genocide, we won’t vote for them.
There is a strong chance that even if
BidenKamla wins the election, the GOP will simply pull a coup like they did in 2000, or tried in 2021. The dems will almost certainly do nothing to resist, and may in fact even willingly hand over power like they did in 2000.he’s not a candidate anymore
Sorry, force of habit. But the point applies
Had me check the post’s date haha, but yeah no chance the GOP accepts a loss, and right wing militias have ramped up their recruitment. Minorities really should organize & arm up
In my experience, those people already know that the potential effects on their lives isn’t more important than genocide.
I would say they should not have voted for him.
What do you say to people that will be hurt if Harris wins?
The one difference I have here is Harris is kind of trapped. She doesn’t have the authority to sanction anyone or stop weapons shipments. So all she could really do is resign. And that’s pretty much political suicide. As things stand I think she’s our best hope to stop those shipments. It’s not a very bright hope I admit. But of the three she’s it.
she needs to speak out & issue statements against it as publicly and frequently as possible to make it clear that she intends to stop american support for the genocide to get people to vote for her.
From the objective POV, that’s what we want. Not what she needs. Everything I’ve ever learned about politics says don’t go radical in the campaign unless you’re desperate. And by radical I don’t mean ideologically. I mean going where the polls are less than 60-99 percent in favor of something. And that has to be micro as well. For example it doesn’t help her if she goes hard left if the state she needs to win doesn’t have a hard left population big enough to support that. Or worse, she trades a state for it.
We really have the world’s worst way of electing our Executive. So she’s going to stay in that position of demanding a cease fire, and talking about civilian casualties until the campaign is over. And she’s right to do so unless there’s polling to say that’s more harmful to her than making a statement to take a side with Palestinians.
I would love for her to come over and fully denounce Israel. But the politics of the situation don’t allow for it. She’s not tarred in the same way as Biden and she’s going to stay neutral as long as she can.
i’ve assumed this is why she had to meet with netanyahu in private after he addressed congress; something of an overture to those who boycotted it.
and i wish she had less of biden’s political tar on her so that i could be happy w the statement released after that private meeting to nudge that voting needle towards kamala instead of west or stein.
There is no reason to believe she will differ from Biden given her past record.