Capitalism isn’t democratic. Democracy is the mode of governance where control rights over an organization are assigned to those governed by or in it. In the capitalist firm, the workers are the ones governed by management, yet control rights lie with the employer
This definition captures the underlying notion.that
consensual democracy = self-government
Here is A. Chayes making a similar point:
“The shareholders were the electorate, the directors the legislature, enacting general policies and committing them to the officers for execution. Shareholder democracy, so-called, is misconceived because the shareholders are not the governed of the corporation whose consent must be sought.”
Could you explain further how having money leads to a disproportionate impact? Everyone can still vote.
You could argue that democracy doesn’t exist anywhere due to your high standards but I don’t really agree. There are worse democracies like the USA and better democracies (most others), but saying democracy doesn’t exist at all is odd (because really, are there any countries that can be considered democracies that aren’t capitalistic?)
Pretty much everyone agrees that what a lot of the western world and some others have is democracy. It doesn’t really matter what you specifically believe about that.
moneyed interests choose the candidates you are voting for. it doesnt really matter if they let you choose between the candidates they choose for you.
the US is not the only place where this happens because the US imposes their will everywhere else. its the same shit over here and most of the planet, trust me.
isnt it weird that on capitalism, a couple of corporations control half the economy?
then you are gonna have to look for it. you didnt source any of your claims either.
i tought this was obvious in the communism sub of all places but look into how the washington consensus and draconian IMF rules for the third world are imposed, and you will have a pretty good starting point for your research.
also read up on how marxists and leninists understand neocolonialism, its still relevant today.
is capitalism really democracy?
In the US, hard no.
In other countries, probably.
Can it be better, absolutely
Capitalism isn’t democratic. Democracy is the mode of governance where control rights over an organization are assigned to those governed by or in it. In the capitalist firm, the workers are the ones governed by management, yet control rights lie with the employer
Your definition of a democracy is interesting but also quite made up.
All definitions are made up.
This definition captures the underlying notion.that
consensual democracy = self-government
Here is A. Chayes making a similar point:
“The shareholders were the electorate, the directors the legislature, enacting general policies and committing them to the officers for execution. Shareholder democracy, so-called, is misconceived because the shareholders are not the governed of the corporation whose consent must be sought.”
Robert Dahl had a similar understanding
By you? Because that paragraph you (not you) wrote is not the made up definition of democracy.
And though everything is made up, a definition of anything is something we all agree on, not just you.
No, the financial system a country uses has technically no bearing on the political system.
But are most capitalist countries also democratic? Yes. Are there any democratic communist countries? No.
technically, no. but i dont think its democratic for money to have a disproportionate impact in the system, by definition.
Could you explain further how having money leads to a disproportionate impact? Everyone can still vote.
You could argue that democracy doesn’t exist anywhere due to your high standards but I don’t really agree. There are worse democracies like the USA and better democracies (most others), but saying democracy doesn’t exist at all is odd (because really, are there any countries that can be considered democracies that aren’t capitalistic?)
Pretty much everyone agrees that what a lot of the western world and some others have is democracy. It doesn’t really matter what you specifically believe about that.
moneyed interests choose the candidates you are voting for. it doesnt really matter if they let you choose between the candidates they choose for you.
the US is not the only place where this happens because the US imposes their will everywhere else. its the same shit over here and most of the planet, trust me.
isnt it weird that on capitalism, a couple of corporations control half the economy?
No, I don’t trust you. Provide sources please.
then you are gonna have to look for it. you didnt source any of your claims either.
i tought this was obvious in the communism sub of all places but look into how the washington consensus and draconian IMF rules for the third world are imposed, and you will have a pretty good starting point for your research.
also read up on how marxists and leninists understand neocolonialism, its still relevant today.
I didn’t really make any claims though. If you disagree what claims do you want sources for?
That asking for sources is a sin? Yeah I actually know. You people always hate that.