• Lysergid
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    4 months ago

    IDK why you got downvoted. Is it coz you are not actively promoting communism as silver bullet? But rather pointing out fact that all known approaches have issues

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      4 months ago

      If they owned the means of production, they probably wouldn’t work so hard

      Pretty strong classist vibes. Those fucking poor are too damn lazy, am I right?

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        4 months ago

        It’s not a question of class, it’s a question of labour vs motivation/reward.

        This still has a behaviouralist slant though, and perhaps that’s because I find the concept of unalienated labour hard to envision the practicalities/pragmatics of. Perhaps due to having never seen such a thing (having always lived under Capitalism).

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      4 months ago

      Ideology does that to people. I don’t think Marx liked ideology, and I believe he said that he’s not a Marxist.

      He also played the stock market.

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        Marx didn’t like it when people followed a set of rules with no Materialist bearings but imagined it to be logically consistent. Marx was definitely a fan of believing things and advocating for better.

        When Marx said he wasn’t a “Marxist,” he was referring to people who took his words as dogma, not people who generally used the Marxian method of analysis. He wasn’t dunking on people who agreed with him, he was telling people to also touch grass.

        I don’t know what playing the stock market has to do with anything, Communism isn’t a vow of poverty and nothing about society would change if he refused to do so.

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          4 months ago

          I had none of the misapprehensions you’ve assumed I had, and was not making any case against Marx (but against ideology instead). That said, maybe someone else will read your comment and understand more about Marx.