• @PeterLinuxer
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    22 years ago

    Wow this is a great video. But what is to do? How to convince the politicians, the voters and the consumers?

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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      32 years ago

      The real issue is capitalism in my opinion with all the other problems largely being symptoms rather than root causes. Our economy is structured around growth and consumerism because capitalist enterprises need to constantly produce stuff in order to continue operating. Our politicians are representatives of the capitalist class who pass policy that facilitates continuous operation of this system. Meanwhile, people living within the system have little choice but to continue participating in order to get by.

      This whole system needs to be done away with if our civilization is going to survive, but unfortunately most people still don’t realize this. I expect it’s going to take more severe climate disasters before people wake up to to this fact, and we can only hope that there will still be time to do something by then.

      • @PeterLinuxer
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        12 years ago

        I agree on your analyze of capitalism.

        But I think people don’t need to participate but instead have choices even within the capitalistic system. They can have a small CO2 footprint.

        But the problem stays present: How to convince large amounts of (normal) people? Or politicians?

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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          22 years ago

          We can obviously try and make better choices within the system, but I think there’s abundant evidence at this point that system change is needed to really deal with the problem. Individual responsibility is basically what liberals have been pushing for decades now, but we see that most emissions actually trace to large scale industry. Just a 100 companies are responsible for roughly 70% of all emissions. This isn’t a problem that can be addressed by being more frugal and turning your lights off.

          At this point I’m highly pessimistic that anything can be done to convince large portions of the population until they start personally experiencing the effects. I used to think that once large scale disasters started hitting countries then there would finally be a recognition that this is an urgent problem. Especially once the effects started hitting developed nations.

          Yet, we saw Australia burn down, we saw massive fires in US, nearly a thousand people died in Canada from extreme heat, and everybody just shrugged it off. It appears that people just want to keep doing business as usual and pretend that these things are just one offs as opposed to warning signs of things to come.

          • @PeterLinuxer
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            2 years ago

            Yes I’m pessimistic on that, too. But I feel uncomfortable with the conclusion: which is that dictatorship is the solution! Note that a democratic socialistic or communistic country will fail exactly like a capitalistic one.

            (We currently have a new minister of econonomics in Germany, from the Green Party. He says we need more speed in climate-protection. We will see where that leads…)

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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              12 years ago

              China is actually doing well in this regard, and there’s every indication that it’s a communist country with an actual functioning democracy.

              I think the notion of democracy in the west has become distorted where democracy is equated with parliamentary procedural style of democracy. If anything, I’d argue this style of democracy has been shown to be a failure in practice.

              The fundamental idea of democracy is that it’s a government that works in the interest of the majority and can be held accountable by the majority. I think we see this being the case in China while the same cannot be said about the west.