• Cowbee
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    2
    ·
    edit-2
    3 months ago

    Is authoritarianism just vibes? What makes Marx not authoritarian?

      • Cowbee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        3 months ago

        I’m aware of the dictionary definition, I want to know why you think Marxism is fine while Marxism-Leninism isn’t. How is Marxism-Leninism authoritarian, when Marxism isn’t? Have you read Critique of the Gotha Programme? You’re “anarchist-washing” Marx, who advocated for a democratically run Worker-State, just like Marxism-Leninism does. All Lenin adds is a critique of Imperialism, the concept of Democratic Centralism (which is already the de-facto form of democratic decision making in the world), and the idea of a Vanguard Party being necessary.

        That’s why I’m saying you’re purely operating off vibes. It’s 100% okay to be an Anarchist that appreciates Marx’s critique of Capitalism, and even Lenin’s critique of Imperialism, while instead preferring Anarchism in action, or even Reformist Socialism, but don’t pretend Marx was some hero of anarchism or something.

        • PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          3 months ago

          I never made any characterization of Marx-Leninism. I think you’re wildly misattributing that philosophy to the hex-bear crowd.

          • Cowbee
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            3 months ago

            On what grounds? They read Marx and Lenin, discuss their works, and personally claim to be Marxist-Leninists. If you aren’t referring to Marxism-Leninism, then what are you referring to?

            • PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              3 months ago

              To be honest, I don’t really think you’re engaging in good faith.

              I think being demonstrably pro-Russian anti-Ukraine is one such example. I think they coddled the Chinese government too much. The allies they have do not align with true communist values.

              • Cowbee
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                3
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                3 months ago

                I am engaging in good faith, you’ve been disengaging and dodging questions, which is frustrating.

                I understand that you don’t have much exposure to hexbear with a .world account, but I see them a lot. It isn’t sufficient to say “pro-russia” or “anti-ukraine,” it’s more accurate to say that they oppose NATO as the largest coalition of Imperialist states in the world, presently, following Lenin’s analysis of Imperialism.

                Same with China, China is currently the largest actually existing Socialist state, so they have critical support for what the CPC does. This is with the notion that people are driven by Material Conditions and Material Reality with respect to Mode of Production drives history.

                Hexbear is largely Marxist-Leninist, and you’ll find that Marxist-Leninists largely agree with Hexbear, regardless of where you find them.

                That’s why I am asking why you claim Hexbear is authoritarian, but Marx isn’t. Hexbear doesn’t simply support authoritarianism, but opposes Imperialist countries along Lenin’s analysis. Marx additionally wasn’t a Utopian, but a Scientific Socialist.

                • PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  3 months ago

                  I have ample experience with these people. That’s why I created an account here. They bullied me with mod supported targeted harassment because I wasn’t communist enough or something.