I am not suggesting people should not vote, but we have to be clear headed about non-voters, it might have made a difference, but not definitely. The EC is demotivating - we should frame it as voter suppression because it is that de facto. For example, Texas and California voters statistically speaking might not make any difference at all if they had 100% turnout. The states EC votes change 0% based on turnout.

It is important to recognize the map depicts an actual reality, but not the practical political reality. States having their vote tally being decided not by voter turnout but by number of reps + number of senators, and having that tally be winner take all make voting for president into very much a “why bother” exercise. Again, there is an argument to be made for voting, and I have made it and will continue to make it, but we have to acknowledge the reality of the starting point, and how non-voters aren’t exactly wrong about their vote not counting, even if that is only part of the truth too.

the map depicts a reality that both is and isn’t relevant. If all the non-voters in California voted. and it turned out it was 90% dem instead of 60%, it literally doesn’t matter with our current rules, so people aren’t wrong about their vote not mattering. Individual votes could maybe, and should matter, but it probably won’t and statistically speaking wouldn’t.

The map doesn’t prove non- voters would change anything by voting, it only proves there is not anything like a high degree of certainty about the will of the voters, or the consent of the governed as is assumed or depicted by most red-blue maps. Thus it insinuates we do not live in a functioning democracy, and that maybe we should do something about that

Wrong, especially so in a post-truth information environment

Since this isn’t some super serious scenario I am trying to iron out all the details on at least use your imagination a little bit. Re-running the whole election? no, and not what I suggested. Re-running the presidential election, one ballot for a federal office, why do the states need to be involved much at all? I mean if we’re doing something drastic like this it isn’t like we would still use the electoral college system.

can’t is squishy here. Technically you’re probably right, but you think Turnip would let that stop him? Biden has about as much power as he is willing to fight for, which is pretty little, obviously, but IMO it tilts more “won’t” than “can’t”

Because of the way Electoral College works especially, but many other factors contribute to apathetic non-voting behavior. Potential voters feel their vote literally doesn’t matter and statistically and practically speaking they are not wrong. Dismissing all of that by saying “non-voters also chose this” outcome is naive and shortsighted and is in my mind taking the side of injustice.

being immune from prosecution not being extra power, is for some a distinction without a difference.

yep, as I said – “But, hey, a guy can dream.”

Never said it was stolen. if you have some counter to this “That between massive disinformation campaigns by enemies both foreign and domestic, voter suppression, as well as many other factors, the will of the people can’t be discerned from our recent presidential election.” I’d be interested to hear it.

I admit by that same logic Biden, Trump or other past winners may also be invalid, but that being true of past elections, doesn’t make it not true about this one.

Picked up on Wizard of Legend again recently. Curious about 2, but I tend to avoid games in prerelease