Fascists view themselves as the ‘connective tissue’ holding their civilization together and protecting it from nefarious “OUTSIDERS”.

That’s a dangerously broad definition that effectively describes almost every modern political party today. Most people want to protect their community, both from threats internal and external. When Joe Biden talks about his need to protect the “soul of the nation” from an outsider like Trump, that fits your definition exactly. When Democrat activists argue they need to punch conservative political pundits for saying things they don’t like, that fits your definition exactly.

Hitler hated communism, not socialism. The two are not the same. Hitler very much loved socialism.

That’s actually completely right. You can’t understand WWII without reading about the prior century, especially the history of colonialism.

The chief reason WWII happened was because Japan and Germany looked around and saw a US-Anglo global hegemony forming. The British had pretty aggressively expanded their empire world-wide, killing millions along the way, and were using that as economic leverage to bully everyone else. In the US, well, they did the same thing, but throughout the North American continent, and were beginning to expand globally as well.

Both Japan and Germany, who previously hadn’t done much colonial expansion, realized they could sit home doing nothing and become feudal states to a US/British alliance, or try carving out their own empires by invading their weaker neighbors like the British and Americans had done. And, of course, they took that chance, which ultimately failed since they started way too late in the game. The US had an entire well established continent of resources, and the British controlled global trade and the world’s largest navy.

Ironically, the modern EU, now dominated by Germany, is pretty close to Hitler’s original vision of Europe, albeit without quite as much bloodshed or ethnic “purity”. It’s a continent-spanning political system where almost all of Europe is economically and militarily unified under German leadership. It’s the kind of system Hitler would have made if he hadn’t been such a stupid asshole.

Nazis weren’t fascists. Fascism was an Italian political philosophy.

The argument comes from historians who know how to read books and are aware of all the socialist programs the German National Socialists instituted as part of their socialist ideology.

The idea that the Nazis weren’t socialists comes from sheltered kids who got their entire history education about the early 1900s from Hollywood war movies that depict Germans as either murderous psychopaths or blank faced robots to be gunned down FPS-style by the “good guys.”

But they always hated and fought against real socialist and anarchists.

That’s a No True Scottsman argument.

The Nazis instituted a ton of socialist welfare programs, issued a lot of propaganda to that effect, and even instituted universal healthcare and free higher education.

By the textbook definition, they were socialists.

Nazis were socialists. It’s literally in the name. National Socialists. Hitler instituted a ton of government welfare programs for Germans.

As much as I detest socialists, to be fair to them, Hitler’s brand of socialism was also coupled with jingoism, which called for those socialist programs to be provided for by invading all “lesser” peoples and taking their stuff.

You encountered a modern day Nazi who hates National Socialists?

Socialists hate being reminded that the National Socialists were, in fact, socialists and believed in things like the “right” to housing, food, healthcare.

All provided by a benevolent government that definitely would always have their best interests in mind and would never do anything evil.

Yeah, it’s pretty transparent lefty propaganda. Whatever happened to “my body my choice”? If I want to murder my unborn child, that’s fine, but if I don’t want to inject an experimental vaccine into my body to avoid a 0.0001% risk of death, I’m a lunatic trying to kill everyone?

It’s proof even liberals don’t even completely trust the vaccine, since if they believed it worked, it wouldn’t matter if you took it or not.

The real dangerous aspect to this is there’s no exit strategy to the left’s vision. Scientists are predicting Covid isn’t going away. It’s literally a strain of the flu, which mutates every year, just like the flu. If you believe huge sections of the economy have to be shut down, and everyone has to take rushed expensive vaccines twice a year, and we can’t be within 6 feet of another living person, or else everyone’s going to die, you’ll be living like that for the rest of your life.

Of course, the pharma industry is loving all this fear, propaganda and paranoia. They’re racking in the cash. All while being immune to lawsuits over injury as a result of their “completely safe” vaccines.

You’re making several false assumptions. The working class, who are largely young and healthy, aren’t dying in any meaningful way from not taking the vaccine. They’re more likely to die in a car crash or from heart disease, than from Covid.

Conservatism, practically by definition, resists and rejects new things.

Conservatives reject blindly accepting new things, yes. That’s called looking before you leap and taking time to rationally weight the risks vs rewards.

Society is a complex machine. It’s impossible to gauge the effects of something like a vaccine in a few short lived lab tests. If we inject a vaccine into children, during their most formative years, how is that going to effect their development a decade from now? Is it going to stunt their growth? Increase their risk of cancer? Give them some other subtle illness years down the road? And for what benefit? All scientific evidence so far says that children have essentially no risk of being injured by Covid.

But asking such reasonable scientific questions gets you branded anti-vax and anti-science by people who understand neither.

We know the elderly with pre-existing conditions do have a substantial risk of being injured by Covid, and even if the vaccine has long-term health effects, that’s not something someone with an average 10 years of life left has to worry about. So that cost/benefit analysis makes sense for them to take the risk on a new vaccine.

Progressives are prone to blindly accept anything new for novelty’s sake, especially from government, which they use as a substitute religion. No one screaming for everyone to take the vaccine is doing so because they’re a scientist and have read peer-reviewed studies showing it’s safe. They’re doing it because it’s a change, which they love, ordered by their government masters, which they irrationally believe unconditionally.

When Jonas Salk made the Polio vaccine, conservatives whined that it hadn’t been tested and couldn’t be safe. So many people talked on every platform they had to decry the vaccine as “unsafe”, to the point that Salk had to make the statement “It is safe, and you can’t get safer than safe.”

And they were lying back then too. The Cutter incident involved a defective polio vaccine rollout from Cutter Labortories that resulted in 200,000 children being infected with live polio. Around 40,000 children would develop polio, with hundreds being permanently injured from it and some even dying from it.

Turns out the people working in government and scientific labs are, in fact, people, and therefore fallible. Blindly trusting them is a mistake. Trust is earned, and our government bureaucracy has done nothing to earn anyone’s trust in a very long time.

Sixty-six years later, and conservatives still shout the same thing, this hasn’t been a “rise”. It’s been an awakening for those who didn’t realize the American right has always been anti-vax.

I’m old enough to remember a year ago, when multiple Democrats were saying the vaccine could not be trusted because Trump was endorsing it and, God forbid, even rushing it into production.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden/democrat-biden-warns-against-rushing-out-coronavirus-vaccine-says-trump-cannot-be-trusted-idUSKBN2671NW

“Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden on Wednesday rejected President Donald Trump’s charge that he is spreading fear about the safety of a potential coronavirus vaccine, urging Trump to defer to scientists and not rush its rollout.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/05/kamala-harris-trump-coronavirus-vaccine-409320

“Democratic vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris said she wouldn’t take President Donald Trump’s word on the reliability of any coronavirus vaccine released before the election.”

I never realized what anti-vaxxers our glorious President and Vice President are. No wonder more people have allegedly died of Covid in 2021 than in 2020.

Oh no, people who believe it’s their body and therefore their choice! Heavens to meteoroid!

Don’t those fools realize that without the vax, they risk a 0.0001% chance of death?!?!?!

Even though I was never a fan of the Iraq war, I never truly appreciated at the time just how delusional that photo op was.

Democrat’s anger back then seemed justified. However, it’s surprised me at how fluid the Democrat’s beliefs became over time. I grew up hearing Democrats call for Bush to be tried for war crimes, not just over how he clearly lied about the pretense for war, but also over the allegations of torture and the bombing of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Then when he makes the most modest of snubs of Trump in 2016, all while Trump campaigns on ending wasteful foreign wars and spending those trillions domestically, Democrats start to fawn over Bush and reminisce over the good old days of the Bush era. And then when Trump actually starts to bring more troops home, something they cheered for when Obama did it, thy lambast Trump as “abandoning our allies”. Uh, no, communist and al Qaeda terrorists in Syria and northern Iraq fighting Turkey, our actual ally, are not our allies.

I was a Democrat during the Bush era, and I hated the guy and his bullshit wars. Now that I’m a Republican, largely because Democrats have shifted so far to the left, I still hate the guy and his bullshit wars. His neo-con foreign adventurism was arguably the single biggest blow to the GOP and helped bring a surge of Democrats into power that would last for almost a decade, causing massive social harm to our country and, ironically, no end to the actual wars Democrats campaigned against. It was, of all people, Trump, who finally ordered the end of the Afghanistan war.

Maybe that’s what Democrats miss most about Bush. Being such an incompetent leader that he made it easy for them to win elections.

Don’t do it, GOP. Those traitors were willing to look the other way while widespread “voting irregularities” happened, yet were super happy to support a 2 year long $40 million investigation into how Trump could have possibly won the 2016 election despite no reports of voting irregularities.

If you’re going to win, grow a pair and hold these corrupt corporations accountable for once instead of selling your soul to them.

Yep, that’s how political cartoons work. Everything in them is literal. In one, Ben showed Fauci as a kitchen faucet. He wants to turn Fauci into a piece of plumbing! Who will stop this madman?!?!?!

For the liberals in this thread, the above comments were satire and should not be interpreted literally.

Before I was allowed to take the vaccine, I had to sign a waiver saying that I understood the vaccine had not undergone full testing, and that if I were to experience any injury or, God forbid, death, it was not the fault of the government or Johnson & Johnson.

Do you really think it’s reasonable to demonize people who don’t want to sign such a waiver over a disease that, statistically, most have no chance of dying from?

Found the peaceful tolerant liberal…

You seem to be struggling with the idea that tolerance is a boolean attribute you either have or don’t have. I think you know that’s untrue. Everyone tolerates most things while not tolerating some things.