I’m talking about deeply held beliefs you have that many might disagree with here or deem to be incompatible with Marxist ideology. I’m interested because I doubt everyone here is an ideological robot who all share the same uniformity in belief

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    the issue here is with how the term “fatphobia” is used. Is it wrong to bully and discriminate fat people? for sure. But showing a severely obese model and saying that finding her unattractive or stating that she’s unhealthy is fatphobic is wrong and what i believe OP was referring to.

    In other words, the term “fatphobia” has been diluted to a point where it no longer is a word used to protect vulnerable groups but rather an “excuse” to not accept any criticism, similarly to how israelites use the word “antisemitism” to deflect any criticism towards their genocidal settler ethnstate

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      I’ve poured fuel onto the fire about this topic in other comments, so maybe I can contribute something actually constructive now.

      I think the waters are further muddied when you account for what some people call others fat. I think the best illustration of this is Jordan Peterson making a fuss about a sports illustrated cover model last year. While she looks like she’d be in a BMI range that would put her in the overweight category, she’s nowhere close to having so much body fat that it’s an obvious physical impairment. Yet the lobsterfather is acting like the magazine put some 300+ pound monstrosity on the cover. I think the frequency of a lot of people (usually sexists) to call anyone who isn’t in shape enough to meet their subjective and arbitrary criteria for fuckability “fat” primes people who are against fatphobia to think that’s what is being referred to at times when it isn’t.

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        Yeah that’s also very true. Instagram and whatnot have completely fucked up our societal standards and expectations. Humans can have a lot of fat on them and still be in good shape. There are people whose bmi is well into the “obese” category and walk around perfectly fine and healthy. I personally consider a person “unhealthy” when their weight impacts their ability to move as much as they would like to.

        But the issue remains, because there are factors like muscle mass and bodyfat percentage, both of which are partially genetic in nature and impact how weight relates to size and thus health.

        As in all other fields, i think adding labels, names and classifications really doesn’t help. People should be educated about how to gauge and manage their health at any size, and utopistically we should strive for a society where the idea of having a “body standard” has been overcame.