I’m talking about deeply held beliefs you have that many might disagree with here or deem to be incompatible with Marxist ideology. I’m interested because I doubt everyone here is an ideological robot who all share the same uniformity in belief

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    Around most left wing circles around here my controversial opinion would be that they are too elitist and ‘soft’ so to say. Dutch left wing figureheads are mostly elitist figures whose life goal it is to do politics. They look like cartoon figures to me and I really think it’s one of the reasons they don’t have success.

    I know that’s bordering body shaming, but I can’t help but think that way. I don’t mean that you have to look like a body building factory worker as a left wing leader, but still. In Belgium, for example, a lot of our members of parliament are actual factory workers / cleaning staff etc. and I can just see the difference it makes. They know what workers are up to, they use the same language, they might even look the same. Dutch left wing politics is focussed too much on the people that had higher education so that they can pretend to be better than the actual workers, workers for which they seem to be allergic to.

    This might not be controversial here, but I got a lot of shit for expressing my views like this lol

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      As a buitenlander in NL (here for almost 11 years now), I totally agree on that view. The outward facing "left"involved in the political process here are almost entirely bourgeois champagne socialists who seemingly never had a hard day in their lives and are incapable of connecting to the common person, “soft” is a great way to describe them. At the same time, most of the “hard” on-the-ground leftists I’ve met in Amsterdam seem too close in their views to co-opted CIAnarchists instead of Marxist-Leninist socialists and communists, and that bums me out hardcore. My working theory on that is because they take their cues on social issues from the American “left” instead of through their own dialectical processes and historical nature of the struggles. Their ideas are tainted with Amero-centric characteristics.

      There is a big hole in NL politics where a legitimate Socialist Party of workers should be. SP (the official socialist party of Netherlands) are at best a bunch of weak-willed SocDems a la Bernie Sanders. Might as well be controlled-opposition. It’s time to bring back the tomatoes (and throwing) from which the SP logo is designed.

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        The funny thing about SP is that they realized the same thing, but instead of trying to educate the workers on the importance of socialism, they are now considering taking on reactionary takes to appeal to them. Literally the reverse way of thinking.

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          Yeah you nailed it exactly. It’s really muddying the waters of socialism as mainstream Dutch understand it, simultaneously as it pushes the Overton Window to the right.

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      individualism fetishizes losing. they have a million reasons why they can’t do anything and why nothing is good enough for them to contribute to.