• Jo (she/her)@blahaj.zone
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    2 years ago

    @LucyWildboots@c.im 37 studies dispel the myth that it’s quote tweets that were the problem on Twitter. Sorry, but those who keep saying it is despite the wealth of evidence and the reality that the #Fediverse operates on completely different mechanisms to the other place, are engaging in unsubstantiated moral panic. There are 1 million users on Fediverse platforms that have a quote post feature, most of them on microblogging platforms like #Calckey #Misskey #Akkoma that are similar to #Mastodon and interact at-large with Mastodon users.

    https://blahaj.zone/notes/9a4skxq0lw

    @MetalSamurai@mas.to @jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

    • Probably Paul 🌍@c.im
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      2 years ago

      @jo @MetalSamurai @jupiter_rowland @LucyWildboots Not exactly disputing those studies, but every time I got dogpiled at the other place, it was because a large account had QT’d me to tens of thousands of their own followers with some snarky comment. That hasn’t happened so far on the fedi.

      Granted, I have hundreds of followers rather than the thousands I had over there, and try to keep a lower profile, but still… 🤔

      • Alan Martello@hachyderm.io
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        2 years ago

        @BarrenPlanet @fediversenews @jo @MetalSamurai @jupiter_rowland @LucyWildboots Be patient with this old guy for a second who’s never been dogpiled.

        This post of yours I’m responding to has an image of your post - took all of 1-2 seconds. If a malicious actor did this plus put your handle in text making it easy for their sub-human malicious sycophants to find you, is this any different from a native QT re: enabling dogpiling?

        • LucyWildboots 🏳️‍🌈@c.im
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          2 years ago

          @amart it is not different on Masto. You can QT now on Masto, but it’s kludgy as I think you discovered. On Frendica you can easily QT or you can turn QT off in your settings. CalKey and several others also have QT. But these apps are tiny compared to Masto.

          So the discussion isn’t really QT doesn’t already exist and must never be created. It’s more a discussion of “Why don’t we onboard people to the best tool for them be it Masto, Calkey, Frendica or Pixelfed” vs “we want easy QT on Masto because that’s where we’ve been for a whole four months and moving is hard.”

          It is also a discussion on why we allow tools to be improved and propagated without ever discussing the damage those tools have historically caused others and what damage to others they are willing to risk to get a tool they can already have if they simply changed from Masto to a half dozen other apps.

          I believe that Masto will eventually get some form of QT. What I hope is that we will get all the backend tools that will be needed to support 13 million people better than Twitter and Facebook ever did. That we will get onboarding not just for Masto but also for the fediverse as a whole. That we will get dozens of other tools and features we need more first.

          @BarrenPlanet @fediversenews @jo @MetalSamurai @jupiter_rowland

          • Jupiter Rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu
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            2 years ago

            @LucyWildboots 🏳️‍🌈

            So the discussion isn’t really QT doesn’t already exist and must never be created. It’s more a discussion of “Why don’t we onboard people to the best tool for them be it Masto, Calkey, Frendica or Pixelfed” vs “we want easy QT on Masto because that’s where we’ve been for a whole four months and moving is hard.”

            Exactly what I’ve been preaching for months.

            People: “We need QT on Mastodon!1!!”

            Me: “Go switch to Akkoma or CalcKey, and you’ve got Mastodon with QT right now and with enough other features on top to not make you demand any more features from Eugen or anyone else anytime soon!”

              • Jupiter Rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu
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                2 years ago

                @Zach777 Well, obviously, Mastodon doesn’t have a two-click solution for moving your entire Mastodon account to, say, Akkoma.

                It isn’t even as straight-forward as on older projects to move from one Mastodon instance to another Mastodon instance, and if you do that, you’ll have to leave your followers, your toots, your uploaded media and your settings behind.

                I myself have never tried moving an account from one micro-blogging project to another micro-blogging project.

            • LucyWildboots 🏳️‍🌈@c.im
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              2 years ago

              @jupiter_rowland I mean we could leave Eugen alone but no dev EVER accused me of being satisfied with everything. So I suspect I’ll always be one of those wanting more. But…

              Yes, we’re onboarding to Masto instead of onboarding to the Fediverse and that is skewing everything from dev cycles to forcing people to move. So for you and I, the only thing we have left to argue about is how hard it is to move.

              Now I would not want to be you and have to move. Because you will lose a lot of things you have built over time. But I doubt most people will have that many things to lose if they’ve only been around for 3-4 months. So here is my experience: I moved about 350 followers from .lol to c.im in less than 30 minutes. I then moved part of those 350 followers to Pixelfed and part to Frendica manually (that was painful). I lost two hashtag searches that I had to recreate and that took 3 minutes?

              But lost in all discussions about how or whether it is hard are discussions about the fact that you can move at all. I mean it’s not close to perfect, but it’s better than anyone else has come up with so far.

              • Jupiter Rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu
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                2 years ago

                @LucyWildboots 🏳️‍🌈

                Now I would not want to be you and have to move.

                Believe me, if you had to move, you would want to be me. Or at least here with me.

                On Hubzilla, I can move around from hub to hub with ease with my whole channel. Just like so.

                Better yet, Hubzilla has something called nomadic identity. When I join another hub, instead of leaving a separate dead channel behind, I can also create a 100% identical clone of my existing channel with the very same identity, the very same connections, the very same settings, the very same activated apps, even all the very same content. And it would automatically be kept in sync in real-time.

                By the way, I’ve already done this. This channel of mine currently resides on two independent hubs. I could create more clones, but I don’t see the need for that currently.

                I think that instead of moving in the traditional sense, it’s safer to first create a clone, then declare the new clone your main, thereby making the “original” a clone, and then deleting the original and even that only if you absolutely have to.