I had a Deprogram fan tell me Russia was imperialist and the Communist party is controlled opposition because apparently the podcast had a Russian communist come on and complain about the party being pro intervention to protect Donbas and they got purged for being anti-war.
I haven’t heard that episode but why are we immediately sympathetic to someone who got purged? Do we expect the Communist party of Russia to not apply Democratic Centralism? The party decided on the Intervention Question, those who don’t fall line should leave until they agree with the party again.
The CPRF understands the conflict is Colonial in nature. Ukraine is a hostile colony of the US and Donbas is resisting Colonization of their homeland. Ukraine made it law that the president must retake Crimea and Donbas. Ukraine was designed by the US to force Russia into war.
Especially with Yugopnik and Hakim being from countries colonized by NATO, they should see that Donbas is resisting Colonization rather than Ukraine resisting so-called Russian Colonization, it doesn’t even make sense economically. Before the Maidan Russia offered Ukraine a deal as equals while the EU deal imposed massive austerity that would shrink Ukraine’s economy within 10 years. Zelensky privatized Ukrainian land again and tried to sell it off to the world market. He banned labor unions, he banned every leftwing party. He failed to incorporate the Ukrainian Volunteer Army (Right Sector deviation), responsible for many war crimes, because they were above the state and the veteran class would turn on the government if he did. The leader of that battalion (which only recently joined the state) openly threatened to hang Zelensky if he were to consider the Minsk 2 agreements.
How is it not clear to “anti-Imperialists” that Ukraine has been colonized and weaponized against Russia? Zelensky is an obvious puppet, this was clear when the UVA refused to leave the front lines during the ceasefire (which they openly brag about breaking, hence why they remained independent from the state).
All of what you wrote are very salient points, and i wish that the Deprogram had someone on who could explain to them and their audience all of this and more. As i’ve said before, i get the impression that unfortunately, as informed and educated as they all are on other subjects, the three of them appear to be quite un-/misinformed as to the Russia-Ukraine situation especially prior to 2022, as well as about what triggered the US backed neonazi coup in 2014, and about what has been happening all over Ukraine, not just in the Donbass. I wish they wouldn’t get their info exclusively from a fifth columnist Russian who calls himself a communist (possibly a Trotskyist, idk) but has taken up a position that goes directly against that of the biggest communist party in Russia and sounds almost exactly like a liberal.
I have two more guesses to make. Some of them know and some of them do not about the past in detail, and so to avoid conflict, the thing is just slid under the rug. Another possibility is that to be able to capture more people fully into socialism, they realise how far radicalised and detached the views of western people are, so they have kept the entry barrier low enough with Russian SMO.
I had a Deprogram fan tell me Russia was imperialist and the Communist party is controlled opposition because apparently the podcast had a Russian communist come on and complain about the party being pro intervention to protect Donbas and they got purged for being anti-war.
I haven’t heard that episode but why are we immediately sympathetic to someone who got purged? Do we expect the Communist party of Russia to not apply Democratic Centralism? The party decided on the Intervention Question, those who don’t fall line should leave until they agree with the party again.
The CPRF understands the conflict is Colonial in nature. Ukraine is a hostile colony of the US and Donbas is resisting Colonization of their homeland. Ukraine made it law that the president must retake Crimea and Donbas. Ukraine was designed by the US to force Russia into war.
Especially with Yugopnik and Hakim being from countries colonized by NATO, they should see that Donbas is resisting Colonization rather than Ukraine resisting so-called Russian Colonization, it doesn’t even make sense economically. Before the Maidan Russia offered Ukraine a deal as equals while the EU deal imposed massive austerity that would shrink Ukraine’s economy within 10 years. Zelensky privatized Ukrainian land again and tried to sell it off to the world market. He banned labor unions, he banned every leftwing party. He failed to incorporate the Ukrainian Volunteer Army (Right Sector deviation), responsible for many war crimes, because they were above the state and the veteran class would turn on the government if he did. The leader of that battalion (which only recently joined the state) openly threatened to hang Zelensky if he were to consider the Minsk 2 agreements.
How is it not clear to “anti-Imperialists” that Ukraine has been colonized and weaponized against Russia? Zelensky is an obvious puppet, this was clear when the UVA refused to leave the front lines during the ceasefire (which they openly brag about breaking, hence why they remained independent from the state).
Liberal conditioning to individualism. Literally all media are choke full of “individual fighting against unjust system” narratives.
All of what you wrote are very salient points, and i wish that the Deprogram had someone on who could explain to them and their audience all of this and more. As i’ve said before, i get the impression that unfortunately, as informed and educated as they all are on other subjects, the three of them appear to be quite un-/misinformed as to the Russia-Ukraine situation especially prior to 2022, as well as about what triggered the US backed neonazi coup in 2014, and about what has been happening all over Ukraine, not just in the Donbass. I wish they wouldn’t get their info exclusively from a fifth columnist Russian who calls himself a communist (possibly a Trotskyist, idk) but has taken up a position that goes directly against that of the biggest communist party in Russia and sounds almost exactly like a liberal.
I have two more guesses to make. Some of them know and some of them do not about the past in detail, and so to avoid conflict, the thing is just slid under the rug. Another possibility is that to be able to capture more people fully into socialism, they realise how far radicalised and detached the views of western people are, so they have kept the entry barrier low enough with Russian SMO.
Great post I was wondering what their deal was