• cynar@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    23
    arrow-down
    9
    ·
    1 year ago

    A lot of jobs can’t be learnt on the fly. They either need prior training, or significant on the job or prior to work training. Those jobs will, by their nature earn a premium (basic supply and demand).

    There will always be low skill jobs, and that’s ok. The issue is that they are now so poorly paid that you can’t survive on them.

    E.g. an office janitor is an unskilled job. It’s easy to get a new person up to speed on-the-fly. A janitor on a medical ward is low skilled. They require more training, but it can be on the job. Cleaning a surgery theatre is a skilled job. It requires a significant baseline of knowledge to do it right. This requires off the job training.

    None are bad jobs, and all should be paid well enough to live on. However, the more specialist roles should also earn more, since they have higher requirements.

    • Eldritch@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      9
      arrow-down
      20
      ·
      1 year ago

      So you’re saying training isn’t training? That’s a bold claim. Can you prove it?

      And if you think an office janitor is an unskilled job. You’ve never met many good custodians. It’s easy for anyone to go into any field and do a shit job. But whether or not you acknowledge it. Being good at something takes skill regardless of what it is. Even the migrants picking fruit in American fields are highly skilled. Or are you telling me that in less than a single season or week you could match or better them?

      • snuff@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        10
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        1 year ago

        I think you’ve forgotten about pilots and surgeons and such… not exactly OJT material.

        • oddsbodkins@midwest.social
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          9
          arrow-down
          6
          ·
          1 year ago

          I think you made a non-sequitur. They never said anything about that. Simply pointed out how all jobs require knowledge and training of some sort to be good at them. Perhaps in the future you should debate in good faith and not create straw men to push a false narrative.

        • Abnorc@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          You could hypothetically have on-the-job training for a surgeon, but it takes a lot longer and gets very expensive. That’s probably why they divide it up into pre-med, med school, internships, fellowships, etc. That and it means that companies don’t have to absorb all of the cost of training new surgeons. Maybe it’s not the ultimate solution to the problem since some doctors have difficulty paying off their loans. Unless you are in a highly paid specialty, you could be repaying your loans for many years.