A new court filing has revealed “hundreds of threatening, harassing, disparaging and antisemitic” threats made to Judge Arthur Engoron, who is currently presiding over the civil fraud trial of former President Donald Trump in New York and trying to get the gag order he imposed against Trump reinstated.
Trump already violated Engoron’s gag order twice, costing him $15,000. An appeals court paused the order last week, citing Trump’s “constitutional and statutory rights.” But the threats have caused serious security concerns for Engoron and his staff, especially his principal law clerk Allison Greenfield.
One voicemail, according to an affidavit filed by court officer Captain Charles Hollon, stated: “Trust me. Trust me when I say this. I will come for you. I don’t care. Ain’t nobody gonna stop me either.” Another said: “Resign now, you dirty, treasonous piece of trash snake. We are going to get you and anyone of you dirty, backstabbing, lying, cheating American. You are nothing but a bunch of communists. We are coming to remove you permanently.”
In 2023, how are these threats not immediately traceable and punished? Even burner phones have to be registered these days, right?
Considering what happened to the January 6th insurrectionists, even if they’re caught, they’ll get a slap on the wrist.
There is a long history of law enforcement not taking threats of violence seriously, when they come from white conservative groups.
The Secrete Service might. As far as I know they take all threats to the president as pretty serious. But that only helps the president, not the rest of us.
Perhaps in the past, but at least as of a few years ago, the USSS was heavily infiltrated by MAGA fascists.
Carol Leonnig’s book Zero Fail: The Rise and Fall of the Secret Service goes into great detail on how compromised that organisation has become.
That is because Law Enforcement groups and White Conservative Groups are the same group.
The cops and FBI are on their side, that’s why.
Hell, a decent chunk of the posts are probably from cops.
some of those who work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Remember when hrc was lambasted for calling these folks deplorable?
I always thought she was right and she should doubled down.
She was proven right in polls about their attitudes soon after.
Unfortunately for her those deplorables vote.
Well, anyone holding deplorable positions was not going to vote for her, no matter what. All the pearl-clutching tone police seem to overlook that when they lecture her…
Perhaps, but I guarantee you some of them probably weren’t going to vote at all until she said it. Spite inspires a lot of weirdos. I think we’ve all learned that by now.
Unfortunately, being right doesn’t matter in a popularity contest.
I do wonder how things would have panned out if she’d won - I can’t help but think Trump would have been replaced by someone better able to overthrow democracy…
Rare Hilary W
I guess when the judges start dying, we’ll think about taking this seriously, but not really.
it also sounds like a few hundred people need investigating.
Yes but it’s hard to investigate right-wing terrorists when you can’t seem to take off these damn kid gloves.
Not to mention a lot of the terrorists being the the same people as the cops who would look into “it”.
Never forget “We have investigated ourselves and have found no evidence of wrongdoing” might as well be the motto of US policing.
Just going to leave this here… 🙂
Every Single House Republican Voted Against Investigating Neo-Nazis in the Military
All 208 House Republicans thumbed their noses at an amendment to a bill that would order the government to investigate white supremacist and neo-Nazi activity in the military and federal law enforcement.
Yeah, they are going to need those guys when they attempt their coup.
If the gloves fit, you must acquit?
Here in the UK we had a member of Parliament straight-up murdered for having the “wrong” opinion on Brexit and the whole shitshow still rumbles on. We’re in a very bleak chapter in history.
Its whack how we have a whole ass terror cell in our government nobody does anything about.
Well the FBI just designated Antifa as terrorists, so… Wait yeah we’re doing nothing.
Yet Jan 6 insurrectionists are still referred to as “capital rioters”
I hope they are doing their best to track each one of these terrorists down and throwing the book at them. All the better to have these thugs wrapped up in the justice system with trials, prison time, etc…give them something to occupy their time, esp. if some other big event calls them (like J6), they can stay away due to serving time or having to show up to trial, etc…
I hope they are doing their best to track each one of these terrorists down and throwing the book at them.
I’m sure justice will be as swift and harsh as it was for the January 6 insurrectionists. Which is to say, they’ll slow walk it and hand out insultingly minor sentences when they absolutely have to do anything at all.
Federal judiciary doesn’t take kindly to threats. Neither does the FBI.
I sure hope they start taking this all very seriously before the orange blob (or a proxy) is able to seize power.
They won’t
FBI is part of it but the us Marshalls oversee Federal courts, they’re not super politically biased and will fuck some people up if given a reason. Don’t fuck with the federal Marshall service.
So innocent. Right folks?
From the moment he was put on this case he knew his life as he previously knew it was over. He knew this was coming. Trump and his followers want to destroy the world if it refuses to conform to their wishes.
I highly doubt these mental midgets took care to properly hide their identity when making these calls. I’m fairly confident they could easily be round up and charged with criminal threats against an officer of the law.
They called from their work phone or at memaw’s.
Trump already violated Engoron’s gag order twice, costing him $15,000.
I gagged. That’s less than the cheapest car on the market. For violating two gag orders in a civil fraud trial.
Unsurprising. Republicans are cunts like that.
I mean, his rights? Isn’t the point of the judicial system to strip away some rights when you do something illegal?
in this case its all about the drawn out appeal. trumps famous not for winning, but for dragging cases out so long it doesnt matter anymore.
in this case, hes already guilty hes just literally throwing tantrums to create noise that might allow for an appeal. and its a longshot, as no one appears to be giving him an inch of appealable activity.
its painful to watch, but its all about the appeal avoidance.
Is there some sort of strategy the court is adhering to that would explain why Trump hasn’t been charged with (or is it “held in”?) contempt?
Yes, it’s called special treatment for the rich and powerful.
Is it working?
Sure is.
Always fucking does.
The court is bending over backwards to avoid looking biased. The only way you can appeal a trial is on the basis of a mistrial. Basically, you need to argue that the trial was unfair in some way. And the court really doesn’t want that, because if he’s able to appeal all the way up the chain to the SCOTUS, they’ll let him walk. So they’re avoiding taking any actions against him, because they don’t want to appear biased against him.
It could be the most airtight ruling and fair trial in the existence of human kind and he would still appeal, and he’d force the appeals court to hear it by having bought some of them, and then he’d appeal that to the SC, who’d let him off because he owns it.
I think everyone is missing the biggest one. Trump will lose his businesses. He can’t “win” here. So he’s trying to provoke the judge into doing something stupid so he can appeal and delay and appeal.
The judge isn’t going to be manipulated into that.
You guys can be mad about it but this is the long game and imo the right move.
You guys can be mad about it but this is the long game and imo the right move.
I’m asking a question. I’m not mad.
Trump has already been hit with contempt once. He was fined $110,000 and it was upheld in appeal.
Judge hit him with four gag orders in two months but stops just short of contempt? It probably is just public relation jockeying. It just seems strange.
The leading theory on that is that the judges currently assigned to Trump’s legal cases are going to extremes to avoid being labeled as “biased” so that they can avoid a potential mistrial, which seems to be Trump’s goal at this point in lieu of an actual defense.
I’m not so sure that’s the case, seeing as Trump has been treated with the kid gloves the entire time and yet he is still throwing sucker punches at every opportunity he gets. They would have had every right to be heavy-handed with his treatment considering his threatening language. I think it has more to do with the fact that the case is unmistakably political by virtue of the fact that it involves a former president and the judges want to be extra careful to not incite Trump’s mob to take violent action against themselves or their court staff.
It’s a good thing it’s only white people threatening him.
Did I miss some context or is that just casually suggesting that other races are more violent?
The implication is that violence by white people is tolerated more than violence by non-white people.
Missed context.
White people are typically given an extreme benefit of doubt that is not afforded to other racial demographics in the US.
Also, the people making the violent threats are exactly the type to say that other races are more violent 13/50 and all that.
I know others have explained already, but here it is in photographic form.
Remember when like 20 cops were all that were available to keep the Jan 06 insurrectionists out of the Capital Building?
Here’s what DC looked like during the BLM protests:
Honestly, it was that everyone else read it sarcastically and I didn’t. I’m autistic though, so that’s not new. Also your picture didn’t load, but I’ve been to enough protests to know how the police handle things
Fair enough - wall of cops for BLM, essentially no one for Jan 06 was the ultimate point. 🙂
Possibly also that the average white person has a tendency to issue idle threats that they aren’t motivated enough to deliver on. Armchair terrorism. Get me a beer.
Fucking terrorists plain and simple
Talk is cheap, anyone can talk shit behind a phone or computer
It doesn’t matter how cheap the speech is or whether few of them would actually turn their talk into action. The death threats themselves are serious even if none of these people intend to act on it. Also, these threats are illegal whether or not these people intend to act on it. Finally, all it takes is one person who decides to act on Trump’s marching orders.
If you were getting these threats, would you be resting easy with the thought that most of these people wouldn’t come to your home (which they’d know the address of)? Or would you - more likely - be afraid to go home or answer your phone?
Let’s throw them in jail. Yeah I’d be scared to answer my phone??(most likely)
They keep imagining he has some shred of human decency. This is mob shit. The courts need to stop treating him like he’s not a mob boss.
They did storm the US capitol alley being told to take the country back in “trial by combat.”
They did shoot Gabby Giffords after conservative propaganda that literally drew a crosshair on her.
They did try to kidnap a governor.
They did take over a federal building and receive no punishment.
That wasn’t talk was it cuz? is they the same people we are talking about ?
Well, that’s always been Trump’s play: talk a big game from a veeery safe distance, and incite other people to do his dirty work for him.
“I’ll be right there with you” my ass.
The issue - as January 6th has shown - is that there are enough insurgents and domestic terrorists who are willing to commit violence on Trump’s behalf.
This is why the call to GA was such a massive fuckup for him. He made that call personally, and he’s reaping the consequences of getting his own hands dirty.
Is it worth taking that risk?
Is what worth taking that risk? What I’m saying is most people who are actually serious don’t usually give a heads up…
I think your opinion of the sanity of Trump’s followers is too high. At best, they hide in Telegram channels and think that’s ample obfuscation for their scheming.
