• NateNate60@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    This article essentially says “These protests are unlikely to change government agendas because governments currently don’t support a ceasefire.” it doesn’t explain why this is the case.

    That point is neither enlightening nor interesting.

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldB
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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    “It’s always very hard to make a crystal-clear causal connection between a demonstration and the effect it has on politics,” says Jacquelien van Stekelenburg, a professor of social change and conflict at Amsterdam’s Vrije Universiteit.

    In the wake of Hamas’ October 7 attacks, in which Israeli authorities initially said 1,400 people were killed — a figure later revised down to 1,200 — and another 240 were abducted, Anthony Albanese used the “defend itself” line.

    By early November, Foreign Minister Penny Wong was warning at a press conference that the “international community will not accept ongoing civilian deaths”.

    Canberra’s ambassador to the UN, James Larsen, said the fact “the resolution did not recognise terror group Hamas as the perpetrator of the October 7 attack” meant his country couldn’t vote.

    Jewish leaders have highlighted rising anti-Semitism since the war began in October, including at some demonstrations Australia, and Israel has warned its citizens to reconsider any travel abroad.

    In the days before the march, White House national security spokesperson John Kirby said Israel had agreed to daily four-hour humanitarian pauses in fighting.


    The original article contains 1,058 words, the summary contains 180 words. Saved 83%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

    • interceder270@lemmy.world
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      8 months ago

      Is this the talking point now?

      Whenever someone says stop bombing children, you immediately criticize them for not saying release the hostages?

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        People are not good with history. Take a gander at how Hamas reacted with literally every ceasefire in the past. What happens when there’s a ceasefire and Hamas strikes in the middle of it and more people die. What will people chant then? “We are sorry you got killed”?

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            8 months ago

            Here’s a list. I know next comment is going to be “but but but IDF source”. You have the dates, google them. And that’s 2014 only. You can look up 2018. as well.

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            You don’t gotta look far, actually. I know I’m probably simplifying it a little but the 7th of October is the latest time Hamas broke a ceasefire.

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                Good question! (Insert X variant online mob) someone prolly just didn’t like the answer. Some folks like rooting for the underdog so much they’ll do it even if its a literal terrorist organization.

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    A ceasefire does nothing to stop Hamas from existing, it literally helps those piece of shit terrorists to regroup and settle in with more human shields.

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        okay, how do you propose destroying hamas and saving the kids? :3

        btw~ you’re being attacked from three different countries, you’ve got limited time here

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          Not by making the same mistakes the US did in afganistan and iraq.

          Bombs dont kill terrorists, it creates them

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            dats not answering the question X3

            how do they get rid of hamas quickly and efficiently? remember the being attacked from three different countries part!

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              You’re talking as if hamas appeared a month ago. Israel had many oportunities to get rid of hamas and chose not to do so.

              Israel seems to know the precise location of every tunnel (at least the ones below refugee camps and hospitals), and yet failed to see 1000 terrorists training at its doorstep for more than a year.

              If you’re thinking that the current situation is not desired by Netanyahu, you are severely mistaken.

              And no, i dont need to bring peace to middle east to know that killing children is wrong.

              • Hatsune Miku @lemmy.world
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                thats not answering the question tho! it’s happening now, war in gaza, israel forces searching for hamas and hostages. what do? :o

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                  Sure you win. Lets kill all the babies, i’m sure the parents wont become terrorists in the future.

              • Hatsune Miku @lemmy.world
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                it’s not a concentration camp! that implies gaza is being forced to work X3

                the word you’re looking for is Prison! :3 whiiiich is kinda strange because then apparently Egypt is in on it too 3:

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                  Prisons have running water, hospitals, food, and the people in them are mostly criminals, with a few guards and staff. Prisoners still have human rights. None of that is true for Gaza.

                  The people living in Gaza are children, with a few terrorists, and foreign aid workers.

                  Concentration camps need not be work camps. They are defined by what motivated their creation (segregating a specific group of a population).

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          But you’re not arguing in favor of destroying Hamas. You’re supporting genocide. Which, incidentally, will radicalize any survivors, leading to more joining Hamas.

          Since you haven’t your own question, how about just shut the fuck up??

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      Because killing families will surely not radicalize more people…

      I guess that’s why the IDF tries to target entire families? So no one can end up radicalized?