Israel is a settler-colonial apartheid state which has occupied Palestine for over 70 years now. their end goal is the genocide and removal of the Palestinian people. you don’t have to support Hamas’ domestic policy or religious beliefs to support them in their liberation struggle. any ‘concern’ about Hamas, any talk that’s like “of course Hamas must be destroyed, but…” serve to make the point that Palestinians don’t have the right to resist their oppression - they have to just lay down and face their extinction.
I think this is the best explanation. I guess it’s a hard situation. With Israel currently in power, it feels like there’s only two options. Either Israel fucks off or Palestine does. I feel like they’ve made it clear that they’re not particularly interested in coexisting.
Israel claims that it was originally their land thousands of years ago. Palestine claims… Pretty much the same thing. I don’t feel like either one could be in power without oppressing the other… What options are the public eye not seeing?
I definitely am not claiming that genocide or mass exodus is my recommendation. It’s not like my opinion will affect much, anyways. It just feels like a rock and a hard place.
Israel claims that it was originally their land thousands of years ago. Palestine claims… Pretty much the same thing. I don’t feel like either one could be in power without oppressing the other… What options are the public eye not seeing?
This is an absurd distortion. Palestinians actually were on that land 100 years ago. The ancestors of Israelis were overwhelmingly in Europe (and anglosphere states) at that time. Go back another century, and the answer is the same, go back 500 years and the only difference is the relative lack of colonists in Australia and the Western Hemisphere. The Israelis have the Old Testament for their claim, Palestinians have real world history.
There were a tiny number of Palestinian Jews who did live in Palestine, some of whom are a tiny number of Israel’s current population, but these people were a prop used by the western Allies in the postwar period to create a settler-colony of European/Anglosphere Jewish people, who were funneled into the region.
also not that it matters because it’s a stupid argument, but there’s a lot of scholarship which shows that the Zionists who settled in Israel aren’t even the same people as the Jews who lived there thousands of years ago. just the same religion.
the same thing could have been said once about white supremacist South Africa - ie whites and blacks aren’t interested in co-existing so one of them will have to fuck off, or at the very least they have to remain permanently seperated.
In reality there needs to be a process of reconciliation and probably a two state solution with a long term view to integrating into a single, democratic state (I only say a two state solution is necessary first because obviously this generation of Israeli’s is not going to accept the abolition of their ethnostate).
Hamas and the other Palestinian resistance groups have said that they would accept a two state solution approximating the 1967 borders.
But apartheid South Africa was forced into reconciliation, by the violence of resistance groups but also by international pressure and sanctions. Basically apartheid South Africa became unviable. Israel will not be forced into this position by the ‘international community’ because unlike S.Africa it is integral to them, specifically it is integral to US imperialism in the Middle East.
(I only say a two state solution is necessary first because obviously this generation of Israeli’s is not going to accept the abolition of their ethnostate)
Ethnonationalists don’t need to consent, see South Africa or Rhodesia. Fuck them, they can cry about it. The only additional concession is that perhaps Europe and the anglosphere can take back some of their garbage.
Pragmatically I don’t see how it’s achieved without consent though. It’s about making Israel as it currently exists unviable. Realistically Israel is not going to be forcibly abolished short of a Third World War. White South Africa basically did consent to a transition.
I’m going to move in to your house, start sleeping in your bed, and fucking your wife. Because the prophecies in my holy book say I can. Neither of us is interested in coexisting. Which of us should leave?
Israel is a settler-colonial apartheid state which has occupied Palestine for over 70 years now. their end goal is the genocide and removal of the Palestinian people. you don’t have to support Hamas’ domestic policy or religious beliefs to support them in their liberation struggle. any ‘concern’ about Hamas, any talk that’s like “of course Hamas must be destroyed, but…” serve to make the point that Palestinians don’t have the right to resist their oppression - they have to just lay down and face their extinction.
aka “critical support”
I think this is the best explanation. I guess it’s a hard situation. With Israel currently in power, it feels like there’s only two options. Either Israel fucks off or Palestine does. I feel like they’ve made it clear that they’re not particularly interested in coexisting.
Israel claims that it was originally their land thousands of years ago. Palestine claims… Pretty much the same thing. I don’t feel like either one could be in power without oppressing the other… What options are the public eye not seeing?
I definitely am not claiming that genocide or mass exodus is my recommendation. It’s not like my opinion will affect much, anyways. It just feels like a rock and a hard place.
This is an absurd distortion. Palestinians actually were on that land 100 years ago. The ancestors of Israelis were overwhelmingly in Europe (and anglosphere states) at that time. Go back another century, and the answer is the same, go back 500 years and the only difference is the relative lack of colonists in Australia and the Western Hemisphere. The Israelis have the Old Testament for their claim, Palestinians have real world history.
There were a tiny number of Palestinian Jews who did live in Palestine, some of whom are a tiny number of Israel’s current population, but these people were a prop used by the western Allies in the postwar period to create a settler-colony of European/Anglosphere Jewish people, who were funneled into the region.
also not that it matters because it’s a stupid argument, but there’s a lot of scholarship which shows that the Zionists who settled in Israel aren’t even the same people as the Jews who lived there thousands of years ago. just the same religion.
the same thing could have been said once about white supremacist South Africa - ie whites and blacks aren’t interested in co-existing so one of them will have to fuck off, or at the very least they have to remain permanently seperated.
In reality there needs to be a process of reconciliation and probably a two state solution with a long term view to integrating into a single, democratic state (I only say a two state solution is necessary first because obviously this generation of Israeli’s is not going to accept the abolition of their ethnostate). Hamas and the other Palestinian resistance groups have said that they would accept a two state solution approximating the 1967 borders.
But apartheid South Africa was forced into reconciliation, by the violence of resistance groups but also by international pressure and sanctions. Basically apartheid South Africa became unviable. Israel will not be forced into this position by the ‘international community’ because unlike S.Africa it is integral to them, specifically it is integral to US imperialism in the Middle East.
Ethnonationalists don’t need to consent, see South Africa or Rhodesia. Fuck them, they can cry about it. The only additional concession is that perhaps Europe and the anglosphere can take back some of their garbage.
Pragmatically I don’t see how it’s achieved without consent though. It’s about making Israel as it currently exists unviable. Realistically Israel is not going to be forcibly abolished short of a Third World War. White South Africa basically did consent to a transition.
I’m going to move in to your house, start sleeping in your bed, and fucking your wife. Because the prophecies in my holy book say I can. Neither of us is interested in coexisting. Which of us should leave?