Israel’s military has claimed it has encircled Gaza City and divided the besieged coastal strip into two, as Gaza came under its third total communications outage since the start of the war.

“Today, there is north Gaza and south Gaza,” Israeli army spokesman Daniel Hagari told reporters on Sunday, calling it a “significant stage” in Israel’s war against Hamas.

Israeli media reported that troops are expected to enter Gaza City within 48 hours. Strong explosions were seen in northern Gaza after nightfall.

But the “collapse in connectivity” across Gaza reported by internet access advocacy group NetBlocks.org and confirmed by the Palestinian telecom company Paltel made it even more complicated to convey details of the new stage of the military offensive.

  • pingveno@kbin.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    35
    arrow-down
    7
    ·
    11 months ago

    One issue the IDF has been working with for a while is the sheer amount of tunneling by Hamas. There is dense housing right on top of the tunnels. Destroying the tunnels can lead to the above buildings collapsing, as well as the damage caused by any explosives.

    Will they annex and depopulate Gaza? I hope not. That’s just going to create another generation of fighters itching for revenge. Grievances outlast Hamas, and they will likely find a form. That said, maybe a single state solution will be the best form of government, as long as Palestinians, Jewish Israelis, and other groups are guaranteed equal rights. The half-ass “two state” attempt right now isn’t working.

    • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      33
      arrow-down
      5
      ·
      edit-2
      11 months ago

      That said, maybe a single state solution will be the best form of government, as long as Palestinians, Jewish Israelis, and other groups are guaranteed equal rights. The half-ass “two state” attempt right now isn’t working.

      I guarantee, if they actually offered that nobody would complain. But they won’t, to “preserve Israel’s Jewish character”. See: Their rejection of Palestinian right of return.

      Hell, if they were willing to do that Israel wouldn’t exist and we’d just have had a unified Palestine in 1948.

      They want to keep Gaza and the West Bank under military rule until they can fully depopulate them and create Lebensraum.

      • Tavarin@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        11 months ago

        you’re ignoring the fact that the Palestinian Arabs do not want a two state solution, and the majority of them want to genocide the Jews.

        • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          11 months ago

          Uh… The PLO had a lot of national support for a hot minute there, until Netenyahu just up and shut down the Oslo accords. That’s what made terror as popular in Palestine as it is now; there’s simply no other means of resistance left to them.

          • Tavarin@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            11 months ago

            You mean the PLO who’s second charter was:

            “Palestine, with the boundaries it had during the British mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit”

            They weren’t exactly fans of a two state solution either.

          • Tavarin@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            11 months ago

            For most of the time Israel has existed the Palestinian stance has been a one state under Palestine without Jews. They didn’t want a secular democracy, they wanted to get rid of the Jews.

              • Tavarin@lemmy.ca
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                11 months ago

                Of course it had Jews, long before it had Muslims. Doesn’t change that the majority of Palestinian Arabs want to get rid of the Jews.

                And we’re talking about the area since the formation of Israel.

                • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  11 months ago

                  Doesn’t change that the majority of Palestinian Arabs want to get rid of the Jews.

                  Bruh Jews and Muslims have lived together for 1400 years what are you even on about?

                  • Tavarin@lemmy.ca
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    arrow-down
                    1
                    ·
                    11 months ago

                    And since 1948 the Arab Muslims of the region have had a mandate to expel the Jews from Israel. What happened in the previous thousand years does not matter.

    • fosiacat@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      20
      arrow-down
      6
      ·
      11 months ago

      exactly. Israel is currently creating hamas 2.0 - you think all of those dead children won’t be avenged by their parents? or the dead parents won’t be avenged by their children?? their approach is and has always been to completely destroy palestinians, this was their opportunity.

    • Annoyed_🦀 @monyet.cc
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      16
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      11 months ago

      The half-ass “two state” attempt right now isn’t working.

      It’s because it’s half-assed, by Netanyahu. He won’t allow Palestine state to be formed, as well as will not return the West Bank and evict the illegal settlement, but instead either allow the settler to stay or carve that land for himself. He also want Palestine to demilitarised. A country without military is a sitting duck, so it’s understandable no one wanted that.

      • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        7
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        11 months ago

        No, he doesn’t want Palestine. More moderate/leftist Israelis want a demilitarized Palestine. The Israeli far right just wants them off the map for their lebensraum.

        • Annoyed_🦀 @monyet.cc
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          8
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          11 months ago

          He doesn’t want the state Palestine to exists and the people who identified as Palestinian. If he doesn’t want Palestine(the land) he will retreat from West Bank. Instead, he continue to occupy it and illegally build more settler there.

    • Andy@slrpnk.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      11
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      11 months ago

      I agree with this 100%. I think it needs to get said more, and more: Palestinians deserve full civil rights including the freedom of movement throughout a single state covering all of historic Palestine.

    • orrk@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      11 months ago

      considering that Israel hasn’t been interested in the two-state solution and has been working hard to undermine it, of course it didn’t work