TwitterX.com isn’t real life. People tend to take extreme positions because that’s what creates engagement and because they can only express themselves through text (and because it’s fun.)
Like, I’ll vibe with Tweets Xits about “unlimited genocide on the first world!” but I don’t take that shit seriously. Until they actually do anything I don’t believe a word of it.
Also I can’t help but notice how JK Rowling is a terf despite not ever saying we should kill all men? It doesn’t have anything to do with man hating - they hate trans folk specifically.
And furthermore, I know lots of people that would post “kill all men” and are anti-terf.
Also, you’re conflating gender with anticolonial struggle and that doesn’t even make any sense?
Basically your entire point is going over my head right now. You need to really spell this out.
JK Rowling is a terf despite not ever saying we should kill all men? It doesn’t have anything to do with man hating
She sees trans women as men and sees them as a threat, citing her experience as an assault survivor as a validator for her belief system.
Misandry is a huge contributor to TERFs hatred of trans women, and it often boils down to their obsession with genitalia. Man = penis = evil. I’ve read enough nutty radfem literature to see that.
And sure, committing genocide is bad. I’m comparing two bad things, evil intent informed by bigotry, ostensibly acceptable because the people doing it are a minority and thus cannot cause harm to someone else.
Malema can want ethnic genocide because he’s black or something.
Israel can want ethnic genocide because they’re surrounded by hostile nations, and besides, that little bit of land is theirs anyway.
And by Israel, I meant Germany post WWI. And by that, I also meant Russia. Blood and soil, right?
Misandry is a huge contributor to TERFs hatred of trans women, and it often boils down to their obsession with genitalia. Man = penis = evil. I’ve read enough nutty radfem literature to see that.
I’ve also read radfem literature that rejects terfs and critiques cisnormative society as a product of patriarchy and capitalism and imperialism (and that all of those are actually the same thing etc etc)
You seem to be trying to make a horseshoe theory argument but that’s not what’s happening at all. People don’t go so far left they end up on the right somehow, they’re just committing rightist errors in their analysis.
For instance, sometimes anti-imperialists conflate Western culture with queer acceptance, so they react by becoming extremely anti-queer. That’s an understandable and unfortunate rightist error that needs to be corrected, not some kind of inevitable result of being radical. They didn’t go so far left they looped around to the right, they merely didn’t go far left enough
Why do you think that being pro-LGBT is the logical position of the kind of campists who are fans of Russia, China, etc? Many prominent communist party leaders – Maupin, Hinkle, Brar, all the big names I can think of really, embrace the sort of beliefset that you are against.
And that’s not the worst thing, I’d rather people be pro-LGBT than anti-LGBT, but as far as I can tell, the prevailing current from those nominally communist countries is way more socially conservative than many people in Western countries want to believe. The infusion of more progressive people into communist parties is a relatively new phenomenon, and the old heads who run the parties don’t seem to be fans of it.
Do you have any evidence to the contrary – communist party heads who are openly pro-LGBT?
The US uses queer people like me as totems to screech about how progressive it is and how backwards the rest of the world is, and also uses this as the basis to promote political movements to undermine other governments. We become these props to be used to tear down other parties and install US-friendly parties, and so this naturally results in blowback against the queer community. Vulgar anti-imperialists (i.e. blindly oppose everything the US does, Brar seems to be of this crowd) make the error of tailing this blowback and adopting it wholesale.
As for evidence of communist leadership being openly pro-LGBT, Cuba legalized same sex marriage and adoptions by same sex couples in 2022. President Nicolás Maduro has also expressed public support for reforming the old laws against same-sex marriage, but unfortunately due to the financial crisis caused by the US economic siege the government is ground to a standstill. In fact, I have a lot of optimism for Latin America after the recent wave of pink tide elections (admittedly not communist, but progressive in their own rights)
TwitterX.com isn’t real life. People tend to take extreme positions because that’s what creates engagement and because they can only express themselves through text (and because it’s fun.)Like, I’ll vibe with
TweetsXits about “unlimited genocide on the first world!” but I don’t take that shit seriously. Until they actually do anything I don’t believe a word of it.Why though? Remember the “Kill all men” type of feminist that became unironic TERFs?
Sure, and I remember the ones that didn’t. I’m not sure what you think that proves?
You think it was wise to let unironic man-haters into a community with the ultimate goal of treating you as a subhuman?
Into… what community?
Also I can’t help but notice how JK Rowling is a terf despite not ever saying we should kill all men? It doesn’t have anything to do with man hating - they hate trans folk specifically.
And furthermore, I know lots of people that would post “kill all men” and are anti-terf.
Also, you’re conflating gender with anticolonial struggle and that doesn’t even make any sense?
Basically your entire point is going over my head right now. You need to really spell this out.
She sees trans women as men and sees them as a threat, citing her experience as an assault survivor as a validator for her belief system.
Misandry is a huge contributor to TERFs hatred of trans women, and it often boils down to their obsession with genitalia. Man = penis = evil. I’ve read enough nutty radfem literature to see that.
https://medium.com/@Male_Intuition/the-aspect-of-transphobia-no-ones-talking-about-misandry-dcac6131a835
And sure, committing genocide is bad. I’m comparing two bad things, evil intent informed by bigotry, ostensibly acceptable because the people doing it are a minority and thus cannot cause harm to someone else.
Malema can want ethnic genocide because he’s black or something.
Israel can want ethnic genocide because they’re surrounded by hostile nations, and besides, that little bit of land is theirs anyway.
And by Israel, I meant Germany post WWI. And by that, I also meant Russia. Blood and soil, right?
I’ve also read radfem literature that rejects terfs and critiques cisnormative society as a product of patriarchy and capitalism and imperialism (and that all of those are actually the same thing etc etc)
You seem to be trying to make a horseshoe theory argument but that’s not what’s happening at all. People don’t go so far left they end up on the right somehow, they’re just committing rightist errors in their analysis.
For instance, sometimes anti-imperialists conflate Western culture with queer acceptance, so they react by becoming extremely anti-queer. That’s an understandable and unfortunate rightist error that needs to be corrected, not some kind of inevitable result of being radical. They didn’t go so far left they looped around to the right, they merely didn’t go far left enough
Why do you think that being pro-LGBT is the logical position of the kind of campists who are fans of Russia, China, etc? Many prominent communist party leaders – Maupin, Hinkle, Brar, all the big names I can think of really, embrace the sort of beliefset that you are against.
And that’s not the worst thing, I’d rather people be pro-LGBT than anti-LGBT, but as far as I can tell, the prevailing current from those nominally communist countries is way more socially conservative than many people in Western countries want to believe. The infusion of more progressive people into communist parties is a relatively new phenomenon, and the old heads who run the parties don’t seem to be fans of it.
Do you have any evidence to the contrary – communist party heads who are openly pro-LGBT?
The US uses queer people like me as totems to screech about how progressive it is and how backwards the rest of the world is, and also uses this as the basis to promote political movements to undermine other governments. We become these props to be used to tear down other parties and install US-friendly parties, and so this naturally results in blowback against the queer community. Vulgar anti-imperialists (i.e. blindly oppose everything the US does, Brar seems to be of this crowd) make the error of tailing this blowback and adopting it wholesale.
As for evidence of communist leadership being openly pro-LGBT, Cuba legalized same sex marriage and adoptions by same sex couples in 2022. President Nicolás Maduro has also expressed public support for reforming the old laws against same-sex marriage, but unfortunately due to the financial crisis caused by the US economic siege the government is ground to a standstill. In fact, I have a lot of optimism for Latin America after the recent wave of pink tide elections (admittedly not communist, but progressive in their own rights)