Gaza's 2.3 million residents were largely cut off from the outside world after Israel expanded air and ground operations and suggested its long-promised ground offensive against Hamas militants had begun.
Do you genuinely believe that Israel is intentionally killing everyone in Gaza?
If so, why are they so bad at it that civilian casualties aren’t in the hundreds of thousands yet? They have total military superiority. It would be really easy to do that.
Is Israel so incompetent that they can’t “shoot fish in a barrel” or is this take maybe really dumb?
You say that, but, I’m going to go ahead and listen to my training in international relations and law, the well-reasoned arguments based on established legal definitions, and a first-hand witnessing of the evidence in favor of the conclusion, instead of you.
I mean you can believe whatever you want, because it isn’t changing anything, but I don’t think the couple undergrad courses you took makes you better-equipped than the experts and historians who informed my worldview.
So long as you don’t do something crazy like attack random innocent Jews at your next protest, I don’t give a shit about your opinion. I will argue against it online, though. You don’t seem particularly violent so we’re just ships in the night here.
No, we didn’t try. We did commit genocide against our indigenous people. Arguably we still are. Genocide does not require the wholesale destruction of a people.
But we aren’t talking about cookie genocide from eating a box of oreos.
People without food, water or electricity are dying in mass to bombings from Isreal and your defending the action by saying it’s not efficient enough to be a genocide. People are dying and you are playing word games.
Seriously. Stop, walk away and really think about what is important to you
War is between two armies, so why is Isreal cutting off food, water and electricity to the entire population? Why can’t the people of Gaza leave? Why does Isreal control every facet of life in the strip? Why does Isreal use tanks against kids with rocks?
It’s not war when one side is trapped without basic utilities and the other is a well funded army.
War is between two armies, so why is Isreal cutting off food, water and electricity to the entire population?
This is how war is fought. It is standard US doctrine, for instance.
Why can’t the people of Gaza leave?
Their neighbors won’t take them after some refugees attempted coups and formed terrorist organizations. I personally disagree with viewing all Palestinian refugees as inherently dangerous, but their neighbors do not.
Why does Isreal use tanks against kids with rocks?
They’re using tanks against combined-arms forces that include current-generation, high-tech weaponry. It says a lot about your ignorance of Hamas that you think they’re made up of “kids with rocks.” This isn’t 2014.
This is how war is fought. It is standard US doctrine, for instance
It is literally a war crime to do collective punishment. And I’m not sure why you would appeal to what the US does. My country is responsible for numerous atrocities, including genocide.
It says a lot about your ignorance of Hamas that you think they’re made up of “kids with rocks.” This isn’t 2014.
I… am honestly at a loss for words here. I don’t think you realize how damming this thought process is. Of course it’s not 2014, but Isreal has been killing Palestinian kids with rocks has been occurring since then (like srsly, this is recent history). But somehow this is “just a war”?
Restricting movement and controlling all facets of life in the strip has had obvious effects on the people being controlled. How exactly did we come to the point where Israel is at war with people they control? Where the water in Isreal is clean but the facilties in Gaza are polluted. What infrastructure can be built when Israel controls the imports to the area? What country can be formed when Isreal repeatedly annexs territory to their settlers? I wasn’t referring to refugees being accepted to other countries, I am talking about the walls prevent people from leaving.
This isn’t a war, but a trapped exploited people striking back at their oppressors. I’m not pleased about the violence, but it would be childish to tell these Palestinians to continue peaceful marches when they are killed in mass for doing so.
You are completely right. If Israel really wanted to exterminate Palestine the whole thing would look drastically different and would have been completed years and years ago. Instead Israel left Gaza and all they received for that is constant missile attacks.
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Do you genuinely believe that Israel is intentionally killing everyone in Gaza?
If so, why are they so bad at it that civilian casualties aren’t in the hundreds of thousands yet? They have total military superiority. It would be really easy to do that.
Is Israel so incompetent that they can’t “shoot fish in a barrel” or is this take maybe really dumb?
They’re destroyed half of all homes in Gaza and have cut off all access to food and water including bombing UN relief supplies as they come in.
Is your take maybe really dumb?
Source on half of homes destroyed? That is a LOT of bombs.
Weird that UN said trucks, as well as Egyptian aid trucks that Israel negotiated for are still in Gaza then.
Go look up articles that explain why this qualifies as genocide instead of trying to incorrectly nitpick what qualifies as genocide.
It does not qualify as genocide and you’d have to be an idiot to believe any article that suggests it does.
However, it sounds worse if you pretend it is, and that’s all you care about anyway.
In a couple of months when there are still Palestinians in Gaza, I’ll be reminding you of this conversation.
You say that, but, I’m going to go ahead and listen to my training in international relations and law, the well-reasoned arguments based on established legal definitions, and a first-hand witnessing of the evidence in favor of the conclusion, instead of you.
I mean you can believe whatever you want, because it isn’t changing anything, but I don’t think the couple undergrad courses you took makes you better-equipped than the experts and historians who informed my worldview.
So long as you don’t do something crazy like attack random innocent Jews at your next protest, I don’t give a shit about your opinion. I will argue against it online, though. You don’t seem particularly violent so we’re just ships in the night here.
If you have to hide your decisions behind pedantry you know you are in the wrong
Did Canada conduct a genocide against the indigenous?
Yes and so did America
They certainly tried!
No, we didn’t try. We did commit genocide against our indigenous people. Arguably we still are. Genocide does not require the wholesale destruction of a people.
Are you really trying to conflate these two situations?
Just seeing where you draw the line.
It should be a red flag to stop and revaluate your morals when it comes time to explain why something isn’t genocide.
You can call literally any shit genocide and it would be indefensible to argue otherwise under your logic.
But we aren’t talking about cookie genocide from eating a box of oreos.
People without food, water or electricity are dying in mass to bombings from Isreal and your defending the action by saying it’s not efficient enough to be a genocide. People are dying and you are playing word games.
Seriously. Stop, walk away and really think about what is important to you
I’m not the one playing word games by calling this war genocide.
War is indeed terrible. Civilians, especially the poor, are always the ones suffering the most in any war.
That doesn’t make every war genocide, and that language has consequences.
War is between two armies, so why is Isreal cutting off food, water and electricity to the entire population? Why can’t the people of Gaza leave? Why does Isreal control every facet of life in the strip? Why does Isreal use tanks against kids with rocks?
It’s not war when one side is trapped without basic utilities and the other is a well funded army.
This is how war is fought. It is standard US doctrine, for instance.
Their neighbors won’t take them after some refugees attempted coups and formed terrorist organizations. I personally disagree with viewing all Palestinian refugees as inherently dangerous, but their neighbors do not.
They’re using tanks against combined-arms forces that include current-generation, high-tech weaponry. It says a lot about your ignorance of Hamas that you think they’re made up of “kids with rocks.” This isn’t 2014.
It is literally a war crime to do collective punishment. And I’m not sure why you would appeal to what the US does. My country is responsible for numerous atrocities, including genocide.
I… am honestly at a loss for words here. I don’t think you realize how damming this thought process is. Of course it’s not 2014, but Isreal has been killing Palestinian kids with rocks has been occurring since then (like srsly, this is recent history). But somehow this is “just a war”?
Restricting movement and controlling all facets of life in the strip has had obvious effects on the people being controlled. How exactly did we come to the point where Israel is at war with people they control? Where the water in Isreal is clean but the facilties in Gaza are polluted. What infrastructure can be built when Israel controls the imports to the area? What country can be formed when Isreal repeatedly annexs territory to their settlers? I wasn’t referring to refugees being accepted to other countries, I am talking about the walls prevent people from leaving.
This isn’t a war, but a trapped exploited people striking back at their oppressors. I’m not pleased about the violence, but it would be childish to tell these Palestinians to continue peaceful marches when they are killed in mass for doing so.
Israel isn’t invulnerable and even in its hate, arrogance and greed, it knows.
The world can and would turn on them and destroy them.
Israel is invulnerable while the US and most of Europe exists. No one is turning from them. It’s simply not happening.
You are completely right. If Israel really wanted to exterminate Palestine the whole thing would look drastically different and would have been completed years and years ago. Instead Israel left Gaza and all they received for that is constant missile attacks.