AI-created child sexual abuse images ‘threaten to overwhelm internet’::Internet Watch Foundation finds 3,000 AI-made abuse images breaking UK law

  • RotaryKeyboard@lemmy.sdf.org
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    Holy hyperbole, batman! Threaten to overwhelm the internet!

    Someone’s hungry for clicks today, eh, The Guardian?

    AI-generated CSAM is illegal under the Protection of Children Act 1978, which criminalises the taking, distribution and possession of an “indecent photograph or pseudo photograph” of a child.

    Aaaand there you go. This is nothing new. There have been laws on the books for decades to help deal with this exact problem. Someone just slapped “AI” on the story to gin up worry.

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    “Flooding the internet” - my ass. With 3000 pictures. Which is absolutely nothing in todays world. Maybe flooding some pedophile niches in the darkest corners of the internet, maybe replacing pictures of real abuse there. Makes you wonder where this “Internet Watch Foundation” actually hangs out. And what they smoke when they write their press releases.

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      By dark web pedophilia sites standards, I suspect 3000 unique images is actually a lot.

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        Based on the “Ai art” I’ve seen, they aren’t that unique…

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      “Overwhelm the internet” makes it sound like it’s going to be flooding every website, but I don’t see why they wouldn’t deal with it the way they already do. A lot of these orgs try to be overly alarmist on purpose to attract political attention to their causes, but it creates distrust with people who aren’t necessarily “in” on the org’s operations and strategy.

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    Honestly, even though I find the idea abhorrent, if it prevents actual children from being abused…

    I mean, the content is going to be generated one way or another.

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      Does it? Or is it just bonus content for pedophiles? Just because they’re now getting thing B doesn’t mean they’re not also still getting thing A. In fact, there’s nothing to suggest that this wouldn’t just make things worse. What’s to stop them from simply using it like a sandbox to test out shit they’ve been too timid to do themselves in real life? Little allowances like this are actually a pretty common way for people to build up to committing bolder crimes. It’s a textbook pattern for serial killers, what’s to say it wouldn’t serve the same purpose here?

      But hey, if it does result in less child abuse material being created, that’s great. But there’s no evidence that this is actually how it will play out. It’s just wishful thinking because people want to give generative AI the benefit of the doubt that it is a net positive for society.

      Anyway, rant over. You might be able to tell that I have strong feelings about benefit and dangers of these tools.

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        Your argument sounds very similar to when people argue that video games promote violence and criminal activity.

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          That quite a stretch. For a start, playing video games isn’t illegal. Generating child porn is. Graduating from something innocent to something criminal is very different to starting off at one of the more heinous crimes in modern society and then continuing to do different variations of that same crime.

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          Yeah, you play Teris at kid, then you become series killer with a brick in adult.

          Yikep

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        I’m guessing they could easily support this with a simple premise: Examine a legal fetish, which AI can generate images of, and ask people who generate those images if their consumption of real images have fallen as a result. Also check if actual real life participation in it has been reduced due to the ability to generate the scenarios privately.

        It will be skewed if the fetish is legal, since participating won’t land you in jail. But there may be some out there that present other risks besides legal ones to help with that.

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          Where does the fact some people will happily jerk it exclusively to anime titty come into this, I wonder?

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            It doesn’t? They’re a fucking edge case and if you only jerk it to anime then nobody will ever be harmed in the production of the port you watch, so nobody should care or read too much into it

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      Also the models were trained on real images, every image these tools create are directly related to the rape of thousands or even tens of thousands of children.

      Real or not these images came from real children that were raped in the worst ways imaginable

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            You don’t need the exact content you want in order to train a model (Lora) for SD. If you train on naked adults, and clothed kids, it can make some gross shit. And there are a lot more of those safe pictures out there to use for training. I’d bet my left leg that these models were trained that way.

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              Why? If these people have access to these images why would you bet that they don’t use them?

              There are dark web sites that have huge sets of CSAM, why would these people not use that? What are you betting on? Their morals?

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    Just as a general rule, when we develop a technology, someone in our society (typically rich people and limit-testers; also teens) will try doing the worst most abominable deeds with this tech until we learn there is a general good reason not to do that thing.

    Hence, defective clones of aristocrats, deepfakes of school peers and AI child porn. This is just the beginning.

    Fun Fact: NGOs have long been using 3D printers to create prototypes by which to smith Soviet-era guns to arm villages against regional warlords. As desktop manufacturing gets closer and closer to the home office, ad hoc arms production will be an inevitability.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    The “worst nightmares” about artificial intelligence-generated child sexual abuse images are coming true and threaten to overwhelm the internet, a safety watchdog has warned.

    Other examples of child sexual abuse material (CSAM) included using AI tools to “nudify” pictures of clothed children found online.

    Its latest findings were based on a month-long investigation into a child abuse forum on the dark web, a section of the internet that can only be accessed with a specialist browser.

    The IWF said the vast majority of the illegal material it had found was in breach of the Protection of Children Act, with more than one in five of those images classified as category A, the most serious kind of content, which can depict rape and sexual torture.

    Stability AI, the UK company behind Stable Diffusion, has said it “prohibits any misuse for illegal or immoral purposes across our platforms, and our policies are clear that this includes CSAM”.

    The government has said AI-generated CSAM will be covered by the online safety bill, due to become law imminently, and that social media companies would be required to prevent it from appearing on their platforms.


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    So, this is where lolicon and shotaco live. Look optimistic, it is better for AI to endure the abuse rather than real human victim.

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      Sure, except there’s nothing to suggest that this stuff would reduce the number of real humans being abused.

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    There is a potential for proliferation of CSAM generated by AI. While the big AI generators are centralized and kept clear of most bad stuff, eventually unrestricted versions will become widespread.

    We already have deepfake porn of popular actresses, which I think is already harmful. There’s also been sexually explicit deepfakes made of preteen and young teenage girls in Spain, and I think that’s the first of many similar incidents to come.

    I can’t think of a way to prevent this happening without destroying major potential in AI.

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    Full steam ahead on AI bullshit though, no brakes on the freight train of potentially society-shattering fuckery because there could be profits involved.

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    Just to remind anyone who thinks AI generated child porn is okay or not as bad as “real” child porn or the same as animated child porn.

    These models were trained on real images, every image these tools create are directly related to the rape of thousands or even tens of thousands of children.

    Real or not these images came from real children that were raped in the worst ways imaginable

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          To simplify:

          • AI parses images of adults having sex
          • AI parses images of minors
          • AI can generate an image of minors doing adult stuff

          If you want to generate an image of a Lion in a tuxedo it didn’t necessary need to parse images of lions in a tuxedo.

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            You are talking about technicalities. For a model to be as good as possible you train on the most accurate data.

            It is true that you can take SD, modify it to ignore moral values and then ask for CSAM but if you for example have a bunch of real CSAM and you train it on that data it would be much much better at generating believable CSAM. Which is what these criminals do…

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          Bold statement from someone who is literally just saying things and posted nothing to validate their claims.

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            I work with LLMs, SD and Threat Intelligence so I have some professional knowledge on the subject.

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              That fails to rise to the level of verification. The expert witness must convince the jury that they are in fact an expert.

              • MTK@lemmy.world
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                Dude this isn’t a court room, I said what I said and you can decide to ignore it if you want to.