“one Palestinian state, from the river to the sea” and where do all the Jews go, eh? Yeah, anyone who has looked into that saying known what the original Arabic means
Whoop, my bad, i don’t have the habit of looking at the pic when reading news article, they tend to be file pic(the picture in question is from last year)
I think you’re getting confused. Before the creation of Israel there were jewish palestinians, and Christian Palestinians and muslim Palestinians. And then the apartheid ethnostate of Israel was created, and israel made everyone who was not jewish a 2nd class citizen or a refugee.
Before the creation of israel people of the three faiths were living together in Palestine.
Ah, so you’re moving the goalposts from May 14th, 1948 to November 2nd, 1917?
Admittedly, there seems to be fewer records of violence towards Jews in the region. Probably under a 1000 killed through violence throughout the 1800s. But there were oppressive laws set by the Ottoman regime - limiting land sales, requiring Jews to work in certain industries and forbidding them from others, etc. You know, apartheid.
I don’t think it’s unfair to link the statement “there was less violence and hate towards Jews before Israel” with you know, actually checking dates before Israeli settlers started arriving.
I don’t think the Philistines have any relation to the modern Palestinian population. I believe they were all killed at the end of the Bronze Age by the Sea People. Or maybe they were the Sea People. 🤷♂️
I don’t think the Philistines have any relation to the modern Palestinian population.
No clue if they’re genetically the same people, but it’s not really important. That region has been recognized as Palestine for a long time. Any argument about statehood is just Eurocentric justification to steal land from the natives.
I believe they were all killed at the end of the Bronze Age by the Sea People. Or maybe they were the Sea People. 🤷♂️
Think about how Jews were treated before Israeli apartheid in Palestine… As in they were Palestinian Jews who lived in peace with everyone. Until the colonists came.
In the narrative works of Arabs in Palestine in the late Ottoman period, as evidenced in the autobiographies and diaries of Khalil al-Sakakini and Wasif Jawhariyyeh, “native” Jews were often referred to and described as abnaa al-balad (sons of the country), ‘compatriots’, or Yahud awlad Arab (Jews, sons of Arabs).[4] When the First Palestinian Congress of February 1919 issued its anti-Zionist manifesto rejecting Zionist immigration, it extended a welcome to those Jews “among us who have been Arabicized, who have been living in our province since before the war; they are as we are, and their loyalties are our own.”[4]
Not to mention the PLO considers them Palestinians (and the funny fact that needed to reiterate this and remind people that it’s okay and normal to be both Jewish and Palestinian)
In Palestine? Source? “Pogram” doesn’t sound like a very Arab word.
The term entered the English language from Russian to describe 19th- and 20th-century attacks on Jews in the Russian Empire (mostly within the Pale of Settlement).
Oh yeah cuz it’s not. So please send some sources for what you’re referring to
A pogrom[a] is a violent riot incited with the aim of massacring or expelling an ethnic or religious group, particularly Jews.[1] The term entered the English language from Russian to describe 19th- and 20th-century attacks on Jews in the Russian Empire (mostly within the Pale of Settlement).
Arabs wouldn’t have called something like the 1929 Palestine riots a “pogrom” or a “riot”, because they didn’t speak English, French, Yiddish, or Russian. Things have different names in different languages. They call it the Thawrat al-Burāq.
In English, we might use either the more specific Russian loanword pogrom, or the more general French loanwords riot or massacre. Labeling something a riot doesn’t mean it has to have been done by the French, and labeling something a pogrom doesn’t mean it has to have been done by the Russians, even if that’s the origin of the loanword…
I can answer that. Apartheid south africa had no fucking right to exist; the policies and the country. It should have been dissolved entirely long before it eventually was.
South Africa did start from scratch after the end of the Apartheid, if you know anything about how much the Apartheid government looted the state coffers bare before democracy.
Talking about Afrikaaners leaving and natives staying is disingenuous. Everyone wanted Apartheid sympathisers gone, and to coexist as equal citizens in the new democratic country.
I can draw so many parallels between Apartheid south africa and israel.
See. You obviously weren’t actually interested in my answer. You just wanted to spew overly simplified nonsense. You didn’t answer a single question I asked so that I could answer your question appropriately. SA didn’t start over entirely. They didn’t dissolved the state and then just decide on things like the border after apartheid. Apartheid was a policy. An awful one. South Africa is a place. So what the fuck are you even asking as you talk to yourself.
I mean, you can draw parallels with events from any 2 random countries. That doesn’t make it the same. If anything a closer comparison would be the events with South West Africa. But that would have more to do with the territorial aspects than the apartheid aspects.
Borders absolutely did change internally in south africa, despite you claiming that borders did not. And i want to point out that israel is the occupying force in gaza and west bank, so if they go for a one state solution then borders would be internally changed. If they go for a two state solution borders would still be internally affected, so i don’t know what you are complaining about.
South africa did start over from scratch, did you read about the new constitution drawn up, the overhaul of the apartheid laws set in place, the putting in place of a government of national unity, the democratic elections, the overhauling of the judicial system, etc. There was a whole fucking lot of change. And, let me repeat this from my previous reply, the apartheid government stealing the state coffers dry, so the new government started from scratch.
Apartheid wasn’t just a policy, it was an ideology, a state of being for the racist minority, a hellish state of being for the majority. So fuck you for being reductive about Apartheid. This is the reason why so many south africans could and can always absolutely relate to the hell that palestinians are living through.
Israel is practicing a worse form of Apartheid, that is absolutely clear for any south african to see, so the comparison between israel and Apartheid south africa is more valid than many other comparisons.
Lastly, i was answering your questions because i have some knowledge on the subject. And fuck me for engaging with people on a social media platform all about engagement, right?
They stay exactly where they were and get treated as citizens with rights. Just like they were when Palestine was part of Syria, and after it became a British mandate for a while.
“one Palestinian state, from the river to the sea” and where do all the Jews go, eh? Yeah, anyone who has looked into that saying known what the original Arabic means
Dude just dodge the whole article and quote something that didn’t exists in the article.
Acrobatic 100
It’s written on the banner in the top image that you have to scroll past to read even the first sentence of the article:
No clue why they capitalized random letters.
EDIT: formatting
Whoop, my bad, i don’t have the habit of looking at the pic when reading news article, they tend to be file pic(the picture in question is from last year)
Why can’t there be Jewish Palestinians?
How are Jews treated in Palestine right now? What are the goals of the major Palestinian organizations when it comes to Jews?
I think you’re getting confused. Before the creation of Israel there were jewish palestinians, and Christian Palestinians and muslim Palestinians. And then the apartheid ethnostate of Israel was created, and israel made everyone who was not jewish a 2nd class citizen or a refugee.
Before the creation of israel people of the three faiths were living together in Palestine.
So i’m quite sure the problem is actually israel
Are just the big ones I pulled from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercommunal_conflict_in_Mandatory_Palestine
All three of those riots are the result of the Balfour declaration, which is what lead to the creation of Israel.
Ah, so you’re moving the goalposts from May 14th, 1948 to November 2nd, 1917?
Admittedly, there seems to be fewer records of violence towards Jews in the region. Probably under a 1000 killed through violence throughout the 1800s. But there were oppressive laws set by the Ottoman regime - limiting land sales, requiring Jews to work in certain industries and forbidding them from others, etc. You know, apartheid.
I don’t think it’s unfair to link the statement “there was less violence and hate towards Jews before Israel” with you know, actually checking dates before Israeli settlers started arriving.
So Israel began with Jewish settlers first arriving, the Balfour declaration, or Israeli Independence?
Just so I don’t waste time for you sealions.
Palestine is literally the Philistines from the bible. The land has been recognized as Palestine since the romans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria_Palaestina
The person you’re responding to is distorting the truth on purposeEdit: Added the strikethrough, I was responding to the wrong person
I don’t think the Philistines have any relation to the modern Palestinian population. I believe they were all killed at the end of the Bronze Age by the Sea People. Or maybe they were the Sea People. 🤷♂️
No clue if they’re genetically the same people, but it’s not really important. That region has been recognized as Palestine for a long time. Any argument about statehood is just Eurocentric justification to steal land from the natives.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2015-10-29/ty-article/.premium/why-are-palestinians-called-palestinians/0000017f-e7d6-dc7e-adff-f7ffc2390000
Think about how Jews were treated before Israeli apartheid in Palestine… As in they were Palestinian Jews who lived in peace with everyone. Until the colonists came.
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Yes massacres happened, but this is not the “big picture” of Palestinian Jews in Palestine predating Israel.
Here’s another wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Jews
Not to mention the PLO considers them Palestinians (and the funny fact that needed to reiterate this and remind people that it’s okay and normal to be both Jewish and Palestinian)
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Ummm bud, who was in control of Palestine at that time? It wasn’t the Palestinians it was the British
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In Palestine? Source? “Pogram” doesn’t sound like a very Arab word.
Oh yeah cuz it’s not. So please send some sources for what you’re referring to
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Notice the sentence right above that:
Arabs wouldn’t have called something like the 1929 Palestine riots a “pogrom” or a “riot”, because they didn’t speak English, French, Yiddish, or Russian. Things have different names in different languages. They call it the Thawrat al-Burāq.
In English, we might use either the more specific Russian loanword pogrom, or the more general French loanwords riot or massacre. Labeling something a riot doesn’t mean it has to have been done by the French, and labeling something a pogrom doesn’t mean it has to have been done by the Russians, even if that’s the origin of the loanword…
They can be citizens of Palestine. They don’t need to go anywhere. Would that work for you?
No. Israel exist. It has a right to exist.
Did Apartheid South Africa have a right to exist?
Are you asking about the country or the policy of apartheid?
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Are you asking if I think that the country had a right to exist or if it should have been dissolved entirely and started from scratch?
Are you asking if I think all of the Afrikaners should have left and left only natives? Are you asking if the policy should have been permitted?
I can answer that. Apartheid south africa had no fucking right to exist; the policies and the country. It should have been dissolved entirely long before it eventually was.
South Africa did start from scratch after the end of the Apartheid, if you know anything about how much the Apartheid government looted the state coffers bare before democracy.
Talking about Afrikaaners leaving and natives staying is disingenuous. Everyone wanted Apartheid sympathisers gone, and to coexist as equal citizens in the new democratic country.
I can draw so many parallels between Apartheid south africa and israel.
See. You obviously weren’t actually interested in my answer. You just wanted to spew overly simplified nonsense. You didn’t answer a single question I asked so that I could answer your question appropriately. SA didn’t start over entirely. They didn’t dissolved the state and then just decide on things like the border after apartheid. Apartheid was a policy. An awful one. South Africa is a place. So what the fuck are you even asking as you talk to yourself.
I mean, you can draw parallels with events from any 2 random countries. That doesn’t make it the same. If anything a closer comparison would be the events with South West Africa. But that would have more to do with the territorial aspects than the apartheid aspects.
Oh i answered every one of your questions.
Borders absolutely did change internally in south africa, despite you claiming that borders did not. And i want to point out that israel is the occupying force in gaza and west bank, so if they go for a one state solution then borders would be internally changed. If they go for a two state solution borders would still be internally affected, so i don’t know what you are complaining about.
South africa did start over from scratch, did you read about the new constitution drawn up, the overhaul of the apartheid laws set in place, the putting in place of a government of national unity, the democratic elections, the overhauling of the judicial system, etc. There was a whole fucking lot of change. And, let me repeat this from my previous reply, the apartheid government stealing the state coffers dry, so the new government started from scratch.
Apartheid wasn’t just a policy, it was an ideology, a state of being for the racist minority, a hellish state of being for the majority. So fuck you for being reductive about Apartheid. This is the reason why so many south africans could and can always absolutely relate to the hell that palestinians are living through.
Israel is practicing a worse form of Apartheid, that is absolutely clear for any south african to see, so the comparison between israel and Apartheid south africa is more valid than many other comparisons.
Lastly, i was answering your questions because i have some knowledge on the subject. And fuck me for engaging with people on a social media platform all about engagement, right?
They stay exactly where they were and get treated as citizens with rights. Just like they were when Palestine was part of Syria, and after it became a British mandate for a while.
Thanks for reading the article.