If concessions can not be made to save these lives even with the entire world watching, then I do not want to hear falsehoods about caring for human rights.
I’ve been very cautious to reserve the word “Genocide” because I didn’t want to devalue it with hyperbole. For years, I’ve said that Israel is ethnically cleansing historic Palestine. But reading this article… I think this is the point where it becomes genocide, full and proper.
It’s shocking to bear witness to.
By the UN definition, it’s been genocide for a long fucking time
Same UN which doesn’t consider Hamas to be a terrorist organization. So there’s that. And no, am not justifying what’s being done to civilians.
I have been unable to find a list of who the UN does consider to be a terrorist organization. Does the UN not call Hamas a terrorist organization because that’s just a term the UN doesn’t use?
He’s gonna have to check Facebook and get back to you on that.
The UN definitely acknowledges the existence of terrorists groups
I couldn’t find a list either but there’s not a lot of documents under the “Foreign terrorist fighters” category -> https://www.un.org/counterterrorism/un-documents
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I guess they’re not in the labelling-things-as-terrorists business, but there’s https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/content/un-sc-consolidated-list
Hamas indeed can not be found from this list, if I looked correctly. Which is weird, given how much more minor terrorist organisations and even individuals can be found from there. I’d say that it’s totally legit for Israel to point this inconsistency out.
And Biden, Blinken, etc have lashed themselves to the mast next to Netanyahu and Likud, promising a blank check no matter what.
Usually I’m OK with Biden (I think the way he handled Ukraine was pretty damn good) but this is a disastrous decision on our part.
I can only hope that his tough talk in public is covering for behind the scenes pressure on Isreal to have a ceasefire.
There is no such pressure on a US ally to NOT defend themselves when a terrorist group crosses your borders and starts firing rockets! Are you out of your fucking mind? Remember what happened last time terrorists attacked the US? Ya! Stop being delusional, and stop sympathizing for the bad guys.
Nobody is saying Israel shouldn’t defend itself, but this article is about a Hospital. Even in full on war attacking the opponents hospitals is a war crime.
Sometimes it’s almost like people see Israel or Hamas as their favorite sports team. As if anything they do is morally correct, just because “their team” did it.
I can’t get over how fucking terrible this is for everyone who is trapped there, due to absolutely no fault of their own. Even literal babies are dying.
Before anyone says “they were voted in”; sure. They were voted in many years ago. However, a large part of the population over there was way too young to vote at the time.
It’s sick that some deem other people’s lives as worthless, just because of location.
I can’t even begin to imagine the grief, loss, and suffering that’s happening to so many people. Any one of us could have easily been there too, it’s not like we can just pick where we’re born. You don’t work hard to pick a country of origin, you get what you get. Those innocent civilians are no more deserving of death than anyone else on earth. It’s sad that I half expect someone to reply and try to explain why murdering children is ok.
I don’t care if it’s Israel, Hamas, or the freaking Easter bunny. Murder is murder. War crimes are still war crimes. Those children are still dead.
Palestinians and their children are not the “bad guys”. It is possible to wage war against Hamas and NOT unarmed civilian palestinians.
The last time the US was attacked by terrorists it was domestic terrorists, and it’s happening basically every day.
The US has actually been warning them to not invade at least. They’ve told them not to make the same mistake we did by causing things to get a lot worse invading and turning the people against you as you murder their friends and family.
That said, we’re still providing aid and protection and likely won’t stop.
It is genocide either way by definition. Whether it’s cultural or straight murder.
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A good way to avoid that is to not illegally enter Israel and start firing rockets! Wake up!
Children shouldn’t be punished for the crimes of crazy men.
I agree, but pretending that doesnt happen in a literal warzone isnt realistic. Get the fuck away!
If a literal war broke out a couple neighborhoods from you, would you stay because all your shit was there, and keep your family with you, or take off and worry about the rest later, because anything is literally better and safer than being there? Common fucking sense. Somebody living in Gaza 1000% knew what was coming, that area has been fucked since before they were born.
Gaza is only 25 miles long. The furthest away I could get from my neighbours right now would be the next town over, where 1 million people already live and there is limited food and water. Have some compassion ffs.
And bombing civilians is a war crime, so no, it doesn’t happen in a war zone.
Anything is safer than a warzone, and limited food and water is still better than being bombed. Has nothing to do with compassion, its reality.
And bombing civilians is a war crime, so no, it doesn’t happen in a war zone.
Like what Hama’s did? Ya, forget terrorists dont have rules didn’t you?
Someone else committing war crimes does not make it okay for you to do war crimes.
Both Hamas and Israel are doing war crimes and should be punished for it.
There isn’t anywhere safe in Gaza right now.
Like what Hama’s did? Ya, forget terrorists dont have rules didn’t you?
We aren’t talking about what Hamas did, obviously that wasn’t ok?
There’s no separating the two. What happening in Gaza is a direct result of what THEY did to Israel. You don’t get to illegally cross a border, fire rockets, kill people, then cry when there’s retaliation. Not how any country on the planet works. Welcome to reality.
Your logic is fucking brutal my guy.
The logic of defending yourself against an invader firing rockets inside your country? OK! Good luck finding a country that tolerates that.
pretending that doesnt happen in a literal warzone isnt realistic
So as long as something happens in reality, no one should condemn it? Interesting logic.
Funny, I was thinking it was interesting logic to defend peolple who’s goal in life is genocide of all Jews. Just like they want you to do. Good job being a sucker.
Cool projection bro. Is that 4K?
Maybe you aren’t aware, but Gaza is a prison. You can’t really leave it.
I’m very aware, and its a prison governed by Hamas. So when Hamas attacks Israel…
Civilian Palestinians did not do any of those things. Thise were the acts of Hamas, not Palestinian children.
What an absolute nightmare. Those poor people are caught in the middle of a conflict they can do nothing about. It’s horrific.
I find it both horrifying and nauseating at the same time. This makes me sad to be a human being.
This makes me sad to be a human being.
and wonder why you don’t see more
The answer is in the video. The media rarely shines a light on those groups.
Sometimes they do though. Remember the media response to the Turkey earthquakes? I remember heaps of international rescue teams getting the spotlight.
Wait until you realize how many species we’ve driven to extinction, and how many more we have yet to kill, before we kill ourselves due to runaway climate collapse. That’s the shit that makes me sad to be human.
Human beings are just about the worst thing to happen to this planet.
I really hope israel will loose their wildcard and be accountable for all this shit. Just remove their privileges!
They won’t. The extermination of Palestinians has been a stated goal of Israel and its allies for decades.
They’re not going to be punished for pulling the trigger.
This is the full transcript of the recording between an Israeli IDF officer and a resident of northern Gaza
“Hello?”
“Muhammad?”
“Yes”
“How are you?”
“Yes”
"This is an officer from the IDF calling you. For your own safety I’m asking you to go to Khan Yunis as fast as possible "
“Where to?”
“In the direction of Khan Yunis. ASAP. I don’t want you to put yourself at risk, that’s why I’m telling you to go there.”
“All the roads are blocked”
“Where you are right now isn’t safe, you need to… blocked where? Who blocked it? Hamas?”
“Yes”
“What?”
“Yes, that’s correct”
“Where did they block the road?”
“At Salah ad-Din”
“Salah ad-Din?”
“Yeah”
“How did they block it?”
“They’re just forcing people to go back home”
“Are they putting cars on the road? Police cars or…”
“Yes yes”
“How exactly? Explain it to me. Please, did you see it with your own eyes?”
“In a car, people are going south and they’re just bringing them back home”
“How did they block the road?”
“They’re shooting at people”
“Shooting what? Are they shooting at people that want to leave?”
“Yes yes yes”
https://twitter.com/ItayBlumental/status/1717466384794300882?t=7HRQJ5h29HRlfhN1fCl3mQ&s=19
And then what did the IDF forces do to Northern Gaza?
Ask people to leave for their own protection before intense urban fighting
The Israeli policy of bombing first and asking later makes this impossible.
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Just lovely how everybody is forgetting that Hamas is responsible for this all. They can end it any time they want, release the hostages and surrender, but they chose not to.
Just lovely how everybody is forgetting that Israel is responsible for that.
Everyone can always blame someone else, especially in this conflict. It’s time for Israel to grow up and take responsibility for its actions. They have caused harm, anger, and hatred by using terrorism (fear and violence) to enforce their rule over people. Somehow we (the US and most of the west) provide them with resources and weapons though. How fucked up is that?
Hamas has launched in the realm of 7000 rockets at Israel civilians since October 7. But hey, keep blaming it all on Israel. Lets make antisemitism cool again, you are doing your part already.
And as always: Propose an alternative to how Israel should defend itself instead. Still haven’t heard anybody give one and it has been weeks.
Commiting genocide against a civilian population is not self defense. How can you read an article like the OP and just be completely empty inside? How broken are you?
Commiting genocide against a civilian population is not self defense.
For one, they don’t.
And as always: Propose an alternative to how Israel should defend itself instead. Still haven’t heard anybody give one and it has been weeks.
But keep listening to that Hamas propaganda it’s totally not rotting your brain away.
An alternative? There are infinite. They can start cooperating and make a good will gesture of returning occupied lands back to the Palestinian people. They can stop colonizing and murdering innocent civilians (which isn’t only just now happening, it’s constant in occupied lands). They can loosen restriction on travel between Gaza and Israel.
The solution is to improve relations with the people. Attacking them and killing civilians only causes more hate, which causes more violence. It isn’t defence. It’s genocide. They get Hamas to attack and they get to kill more Palestinians.
They tried that, didn’t work, each time they were meet with more Hamas terrorism. What’s your second suggestion from the pool of infinite alternative?
It’s hard to go against them in the West.
The right hate Muslims so side with Israel.
The left hate to be called antisemites, so hand-wring over civilian deaths, but ultimately side with Israel.
Who are these voices on the “left” that you say are supporting Israel?
Biden
Biden is not the left lmao
True, but effectively on the political stage, he is the opposition. Understandable that non-politically online people/normal people call him left.
Agreed but you’re splitting hairs. My grandparents who voted for Biden aren’t really “the left” either.
My ex who i’ve convinced to switch sides on this issue but is too afraid to say anything publicly because she doesn’t think she knows enough of the history to take a stance isn’t really “the left”, but she voted Biden too.
Pretty much all of the Democratic leadership except Ilhan Omar.
They’re not leftists but they are “the left”
The “viable left” I suppose.
Jeremy Corbyn wasn’t that left either, yet you go to one Hamas Terrorist funeral, and suddenly you’re a terrorist sympathiser and out come the photos at election time.
Sure, you can be left in the West, but not in a way where you’ll get even a sniff of power.
And this is where you accuse anybody right of being a full communist of not being left enough, so we can save ourselves that interaction.
Keir Starmer?
Everything I read about this dude characterizes him as abandoning left wing policy in favor of center, center-right policy.
4th paragraph of his wikipedia page
His leadership has been characterised by movement towards the political centre and abandonment of the left-wing platform of his leadership campaign, as well as by opposition to some of the government response to the COVID-19 pandemic and issues such as Partygate
I just think it’s strange for you to insinuate that the position of the left is that of Israel’s.
No one on the left is hand wringing over the civilian deaths but ultimately siding with Israel. Literally no one.
You recall that Hamas attacked Israel in the bloodiest assault in history, right?
You guys make me embarrassed to call myself a lefty.
Well gee, that sure does give Isreal the right to do ethnic cleansing. It’s self defense after all so everything is permissible. /s
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But you Hamas supporters
I don’t support Hamas.
and only care about Palestine because they’re brown
No, I’m just against ethnic cleansing, which is what Isreal is currently doing and getting billions of dollars in support for.
Isreal shouldn’t be doing ethnic cleansing, nor should Hamas.
Your white guilt is so fucking lame 😂
It’s really a sign of intelligence to assume things of people you don’t know and have only ever spoken to on the internet.
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It would be funny to debate against you morons if it wasn’t so pathetic.
Yep you sure showed that guy which person here is the moron… /S
Please keep insulting me. I’m becoming so convinced you’re right.
Israel is doing ethnic cleansing. They’ve been doing it for 50+ years.
The Gaza population has doubled in the last 20 years. If they are doing ethnic cleansing they’re doing a really bad job at it
Meanwhile Jews are banned from almost all Muslim countries
No one here is supporting Hamas. We support PALESTINE.
Hamas doing something horrible doesn’t make it OK to starve the entirety of Gaza though, not everyone inside Gaza is Hamas
Speaking of, Hamas has over 1MM liters of fuel, and ample supplies of fresh water, that they refuse to distribute in Gaza. They also refuse to return hostages, which would also immediately lift the siege.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-gaza-photos-show-half-million-liters-of-fuel-held-by-hamas/
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The reason they stockpiled so much is their tunnel ventilation systems run on generators (which is also the reason Israel is trying to deny them fuel, because tunnel fighting is a nightmare and that’s what is coming)
Here’s a great video with more info https://www.youtube.com/live/xfc0nHLgDuY?si=8P-MddAIFXsFt-mA
Terrible thing Hamas has done
Hamas doing something horrible doesn’t make it OK to starve the entirety of Gaza
Terrible thing Hamas is doing
It’s not unreasonable to expect an enemy government to feed their people, rather than your country
Hamas doing something horrible doesn’t make it OK to starve the entirety of Gaza
I mean we can copy the same comments to another over and over all day if ya want.
I’ve got 3 hrs til my plane boards
FWIW I’d strongly support a heavily-militarized aid station set up in the south but you know as well as I do that people would still blame Israel for Hamas gunning down people headed south.
Palestine is protecting and aiding Hamas, though.
(x) Doubt.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Hospitals in Gaza are ceasing to function because they are running out of water and fuel for generators, while being overwhelmed by huge numbers of casualties and civilians seeking shelter from Israeli bombing.
No new fuel has been allowed into Gaza since the 7 October Hamas attack on Israel, starving hospital generators as well as the desalination and pumping plant essential to the water system.
Video posted on Tuesday showed the Indonesian hospital in north Gaza in total blackout after the generators failed, with the sole illumination from mobile phones.
Tanya Haj-Hassan, a Canadian-based paediatric intensive care and humanitarian doctor who helps run a western support network for Gaza health workers, said a third of hospitals in the territory had ceased to function.
Another member of the western support group, Omar Abdel-Mannan, a senior paediatric neurology resident at Great Ormond Street children’s hospital in London, said: “Doctors on the ground are using minimal anaesthesia so they can economise on it.”
Medical experts from the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) visited hospitals in Gaza on Tuesday and confirmed the dire reports from doctors on the ground.
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Holy fuck, Lemmy is being brigaded by the pro-israel trolls.
Don’t know if this thread was linked elsewhere but the shift in sentiment in newer posts are jarring
I don’t know where you get that from, all comments in this thread are critical of Israel…
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Yeah, why don’t the Palestinians give up and just accept being ethnically cleansed? I mean, they’re Arabs why don’t they just move in with the other Arabs, they’re all one big homogeneous group, right?
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And if they are not let back in who will hold Israel accountable? Many of the people being bombed refuse to leave their homes for this very reason (as well as the south getting targeted by bombs/no shelter/no supplies either way so might as well keep whatever semblance of dignity they have left). They don’t trust Israel to allow them to return home due to historical precedent.
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Tell that to the people that refuse to leave their house due to what I previously described. The last election in Gaza was in 2006. The average resident of Gaza was about 1 year old at the time. This conflict did not start yesterday. The Gazan population does not trust the international community to protect their right to return and they sure don’t trust the Israelis.
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Right now, civilians don’t have a choice to leave the warzone. That’s intentional thaks to
Hamas, Netanyahu,Egypt, Jordan, etc.Ftfy
You can’t carpet bomb civilians then blame a country for not accepting 2 million refugees. Leveling the sector with air strikes is not a requirement.
If it was any other country your argument would be substantive. But we are talking about Israel and Palestine. Anyone who leaves will not be able to return. That’s how it’s always been. And for the Palestinians, their land is their existence. They will not give it up. They know the second they leave, it’s been lost.
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Because then they risk becoming the target of what Israel buys with the 50 billion dollars Joe Biden just sent to them.
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Further proof Hamas terrorists hate Gazan Palestinians as much as they hate everyone else.
*People are downvoting because they refuse to admit Hamas terrorists use Palestinians as shields only; without a care for civilian safety as a tool to protect themselves.
even if that was true, the other side could just stop hitting the shield all the time and do precise targeting.
It’s true.
“Stop making me murder you!”
Hamas really really fucked up this time.
You realize that this is the EXACT outcome they would have expected right? You think Hamas expected Israel to surrender to paragliders? This was what they WANTED to happen. Now the whole world is watching Israel losing their shit on civilians and their international support is crumbling all around them. Hamas doesn’t give a shit about the palestinian people, but they do care about getting Israel into a position to be openly attacked by its Arab neighbors without the US and Europe coming in to fight on their behalf. It looks like that plan is actually going pretty well.
Isreal has the most support it has had in decades. They have widespread support to remove Hamas, or at least seriously damage Hamas, from most of their allies.
“Stop making me murder you!”
Hamas hasn’t yet released the fuel they’ve been hoarding?
Have they been hoarding it in the hospital?
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You know all about their fuel stocks? You must work for the CIA or something.
Blame the world’s leader and the people that think they should be supporting them.
Take matters into your own hands. Change is now if you make the change. Live for reality and not tradition. Bring on the war.
Imagine saying this shit when powerless children are being butchered by israeli bombs…
how heartless some people have become
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Man… you got problems.
It’s not really up to us foreigners. We could send them fuel but Hamas would just confiscate it.
