• Ersatz86@lemmy.world
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    Alternate headline:

    “Massive shitcunt threatens to destroy the actual best part of the internet to the surprise of absolutely no one”

    is what they meant to say

    Incidentally, do you guys remember when this fuckhead was a darling of the left?

    These are strange times.

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      He was a darling because he was a literally unknown person who introduced themselves with a controlled media profile who sold a way to approach the fossil fuel problem. The nice thing about the left is their views evolve rapidly to current events and Elon has been inescapable in media, so naturally he reveals his true neocon form.

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        The nice thing about the left is that they have some critical thinking abilities.

        Made it more broad and concise for you.

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      Incidentally, do you guys remember when this fuckhead was a darling of the left?

      And when was this? I cannot remember a time when a celebrity capitalist parasite was a “darling of the left.”

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        I will admit there was a time when he was pushing electric cars while traditional auto manufacturers seemed to be dragging their feet. It felt like he was on the right side of a big issue and shaking things up. I think it’s important to admit when we get it wrong. And boy did I get it wrong.

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          It felt like he was on the right side of a big issue

          No. No, he never was. Any leftist will tell you that the only solution to the car problem is public transport… not silly attempts to make individual cars more “eco-friendly.” That’s not leftism - that’s what we call “green capitalism.” And leftists have understood that loooong before Phony Stark skipped South Africa to avoid being drafted into the SADF to uphold the white supremacist state he benefited so richly from.

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            100% agree with you now. I wasn’t at that level of analysis at the time yet.

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              I wasn’t at that level of analysis at the time yet.

              Me neither. They really did a number on us.

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            Do you think you could be a little more careful in your angry smearing of conscientious objectors please?

            My brother dodged the draft. He’s a theologian who spent years in exile due to his refusal to serve the corrupt apartheid government.

            Give a fuck about Edolf Twitler or don’t but leave the rest of us out of this. Cunt is your problem now anyway.

            Just, mind the facts while you rant if you don’t mind. Please.

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              Do you think you could be a little more careful in your angry smearing of conscientious objectors please?

              Perhaps you need to stop smearing conscientious objectors by pretending Phony Stark was one - you might just as well pretend Donald Trump was a conscientious objector if you apply that label to Musk.

              It’s out in the open now - Musk is as much a white supremacist as any National Party goon. And, like a lot of rich white kids whose families got rich off the opportunities and impoverished black labor the Apartheid-regime provided them with, Musk felt himself too entitled to actually do the dirty work himself. It was common knowledge here in South Africa at the time - the rich white kids from rich families got to opt out of the war, despite the fact thet they benefited the most from the Apartheid-regime.

              It is true that some of those rich white kids actually were against the Apartheid-regime… but Musk wasn’t one of them. His blatant support for white supremacism and his enabling of right-wing ideology proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt.

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                Exactly. If the reason you are “conscientiously objecting” is because you’re a rich Nazi shitheel who is too much of a pussy to fight for anything yourself, no one cares because you obviously don’t have a real conscience to be conscientous with.

                He is clearly fine with sending others to fight his battles for him. Can he be any more the Gen X version of Trump?

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            You’re pushing a very niche view as if it’s universal, I get why you’re doing it but you’re wrong to. There is no single solution to transport requirements and while the vast majority of leftists of course agree public transport is vital it’s not a magic solution for everything and outside the car hate bubble is very rare for anyone, even a leftwing person, to be staunchly anticar.

            You might not like it but it’s reality.

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              You’re pushing a very niche view as if it’s universal,

              Oh, it used to be far, far more universal than it is now. They spent a lot of propaganda money to make it less universal.

              Considering how the rivets seem to be popping off the western propaganda model recently, I’m willing to bet that it might one day be a lot more universal once more.

              You might not like that, but that’s reality.

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                I don’t mean to be rude but you’re confused and delusional, there isn’t a transport authority in the world that thinks we can totally do without cars - I’m all for idealism but it should be at least grounded in some form of reality.

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                  Riiiight… I’m confused and delusional because you want to live in a world where Big Auto’s profit margins are prioritized over the needs of the public.

                  Phony Stark might have a little blue check mark to sell you - he likes the way you think.

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                    If I had my way then manufacturing would be publicly owned and based on open source principles, that wouldn’t change the fact that transport networks are still going to require cars.

                    Do we over use cars? Yes. Can we totally do without cars, vans and specialist vehicles? No.

                    They’re incredibly versatile and hugely efficient in certain usecase situations, the infrastructure is orders of magnitude cheaper and easier to maintain than any other alternative.

                    Ecologically they can make a lot of sense too, especially fleet managed electric self-drive which is without a doubt where we’re heading.

                    Investing in long distance passenger train networks isn’t a great strategy at the moment, by the time it’s half built it’s very likely efuels already on the market now will have significant adoption in aviation thus making flying a far less polluting means of travel than trains – but it’ll be too late to change because you’ve already released all that carbon from the huge steel works needed to make the tracks.

                    What we should be doing is creating car friendly transport hubs allowing people to do first and return mile by car and linking all those transport hubs with efficient, affordable, safe, and reliable short and medium train lines. Cities should have tube and tram networks that are accomodating to all and which include the protections required for safety of the passengers, especially from other passengers.

                    ‘women getting harassed doesn’t matter’ isn’t an acceptable answer, ‘disabled people can just stay home’ isn’t an acceptable answer, ‘People who need to transport stuff can’t’ isn’t an acceptable answer… Until rail based public transport can actually fill all the needs of the people it’s not a viable solution in it’s own.

                    Mixed mode integrated transport network is what every single person who has any interest in transportation agrees is the best solution, everyone except the kneejerk flatearth anticar nuts of course.

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            skipped South Africa to avoid being drafted into the SADF to uphold the white supremacist state he benefited so richly from.

            Wait, is this a bad thing?

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        it was before he was an actual celebrity and was only known for creating Tesla/SpaceX. He was also “only” a millionaire and well before Tesla stock went nuts, and he also wasn’t posting like crazy on Twitter so people only knew him via Tesla and SpaceX’s achievements, both of them legendary underdogs looking to overthrow the well-established big industry corporations.

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          Soooo… just the kind of person the left has despised for more than a hundred years now?

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            what? The “left” has always been the side of revolutionary upstarts and underdogs. The right is the conservative, old guard, established players.

            you’re literally trying to rewrite history just to try to hate Musk a little more

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              The “left” has always been the side of revolutionary upstarts and underdogs.

              It’s okay… you can just admit you don’t have the foggiest clue what it is you are talking about.

              You can’t fix something if you don’t even admit to it, yes?

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                Of course they can; someone on the right has always been right and could never admit to not being right.

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        I think it’s important to distinct what part of the left.

        Most of the left on Lemmy? Probably not.

        A lot of liberals who align themselves with the US democrats? There was a lot of support until the famous pedo incident.

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            The Overtoon Window is so far to the right in the US that their “Left” are nationalist pro-business neoliberals and their “Right” are ultra-nationalist anti-immigrant anti-abortion neoliberals, so basically in what is the Right to Far-Right range in continental Europe.

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        Along with pre-pandemic (roughly) Musk, Sam Bankman Freed was also buddies with the left and even had a second co-ceo to court the right wing politicians while he hung out with the left wing (those that were dumb enough to believe in crypto anyway).

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          No offence intended… but this post has shown me just what a completely warped idea people have in regards to what “left” and “right” even means - very few people here seem to even know that anti-capitalism is where the left starts…

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        Tbh I liked him when the whole GME thing happened, because when Robinhood screwed over all the GME holders Elon blew the lid off of Dogecoin and I basically made all my profits back. I also thought him poking fun at the SEC while all that happened was pretty ballsy and I respected that.

        But now he’s made it known that he’s a conservative bootlicker, transphobe, antivaxx, corporate shill… 🤷‍♀️