• Trantarius@programming.dev
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    1 year ago

    If a person’s life is not their own to take then they have no autonomy at all

    That’s just not right. Autonomy isn’t some absolute, all or nothing thing. If it was, then everybody would have “no autonomy at all”, because we’re not allowed to commit crimes.

    Of the full range of possible actions, killing yourself is a relatively small portion of those. Considering that death eliminates all possible future actions, I’d argue that preventing a suicide (of a person that’s not dying anyway) actually preserves more autonomy than the alternative.

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      You’re just arguing out of an emotional position and trying to rationalize it. If a person wants to die, it’s their right to be able to do so. That doesn’t mean society should just say “fuck it” instead of providing proper mental care, however.

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        “You’re just arguing out of an emotional position”

        So where did they make an emotional argument?

        “It’s their right to be able to do so”

        And here you are inventing positive rights!

        Where does this right to any action come from? If you are paraplegic do you have a right to walk? How would this right be granted? Do you have a right to psychically expel your kidneys (an apparently impossible task)?

        The fact that you are unable to perform an action does not entail that others must perform it for you.

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          A cursory glance at your post history tells me more than enough to know I should just ignore you.

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      1 year ago

      Yes it is and not being allowed to harm innocent people isn’t a violation of your autonomy and never was. Grow the fuck up.

      Considering that death eliminates all possible future actions

      Highly debatable