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    People will point out that US health does get a decent chunk of money, though they’ll leave out that it goes to others (insurance profit) so the care part doesn’t actually get that value. Like how US spends more just in tax per-capita than many countries with universal care spend total, but we get significantly less for it.

    So really it should mirror the war table but with a fat CEO or two smoking a cigar, with the emaciated doctor excluded from the table.

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    Context: this is translated image from soviet magazine issued in 1953, right after Stalin’s death.

    Also Sciences table is Libraries table.

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      Why didn’t we become smarter? isn’t it’s time already

      To understand as a matter of fact that more important

      To stop the clutter of hammer of war?

      Elysium, Tanks

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      Well, our systems and societies grow ever more complex and stable, but yes there was a sudden drop in average IQ due to leaded anti-knocking agents being added to fuel, among other pollutants affecting development.

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    Metal Gear solid is what really opened my eyes to a global economy being supported by war. I know war and conflict is to an extent, part of being human. But it’s been monetized and it’s become too big to fail.

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      The military industrial complex has become too big to fail, because it is jobs provider for many places that don’t have much resources. It’s not a coincidence that many defense contractors are headquartered in peripheral regions like the American South West desert and Scotland. These places don’t have much to offer in terms of resources so they became dependent on the industry. Either that, or they become tax haven like other small entities like Ireland, Luxembourg and Seychelles.

      I’m not trying to justify the existence of MICs by the way, I’m explaining why the industry became intertwined. Although, I believe there is just war if a country is either provoked or to stop atrocities, such as the NATO intervention in Yugslav wars and supporting Ukraine against the Russian invasion.

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      And there are no “sides”, every one loses, even and especially the ones who think they win money, power or land will lose in the end. When will they finally get it that we all live on this insignificant pebble in dark cold space and we have to grow up instead of fighting like spoiled toddlers in a sandbox.

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    Clearly 830Bn budget for Military every single year is too goddamn much, but at the same time I’m all for supporting NATO and opposing Russia. I think slowly reducing the military budget of the USA would be good, but keeping active operations overseas alive. As much as I realize the USA has caused more harm than good, I also realize suddenly ending our operations can be just as harmful, such as when the Trump Admin released 5k Taliban Fighters and withdrew from Afghanistan, to which the Biden Administration followed through with.

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      This image is dumb as shit. The education system is setup so there’s a good pool of people going into sciences. Then from the science people make better weapons and the weapons get used for war. War is used to get the money again and cycle repeats. Arts are for sanity and creativity for new weapons and healthcare gets used in war too so it’s not wasted

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        You might have a point if it weren’t for the fact that forgiving education loans would pay for itself but the government still won’t use any extra budget on it, and healthcare for veterans is so terrible that they clearly aren’t even trying to make meaningful reform on it. Very little healthcare costs are accrued by their young enlisted troops who undergo physicals before being allowed to train and deploy, compared to people past 30s.

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          The people who are working in STEM don’t need loan forgiveness like the a lot of other people who took loans to study in fields that don’t end up contributing to the military. As for healthcare I’m referring to things like trauma and human performance, if war breaks out this is critical infrastructure. I’d also argue that the cost of having a soldier tear a tendon and have to leave the military would be large and happen often so being able to rehabilitate and get them back to work is critical. Once a veteran is finished the government don’t care because they can’t contribute.

          You have to remember the military industrial complex is a self sustaining machine now that it’s beyond reining in. It will keep policy in place to keep the cycle going. The economy now depends on it and needs wars or at least the ability to pressure countries into doing what they want so they can extract more money to feed it

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    This cartoon is from 70 years ago. 80 years ago was 1943 which was in the middle of World War 2. At that point, war getting a sizable chunk of the GDP was perhaps more understandable. So the caption on the cartoon actually undersells it.

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      It still made a lot of sense, since you know it was made during the height of the cold ware before ICBMs/mutually assured destruction was a thing, so a ground conflict didn’t seem unreal

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    That’s because the people who are in charge haven’t changed much. Sure, their names have changed, but they’re largely the same type of person who do the same types of things.

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    This is longer true. Social security, Medicare, and medicaid are all less than 80 years old and make up more of the federal budget than defense spending.

    These are the top 5 budget item according to the us treasury for 2022. Social security 23% Heath 15% National defense 13% Medicare 13% Income security 13%

    “Veterans benefits and services” is another category which I guess could be considered war spending or healthcare.

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      Social security is paying back what people have put into it, nobody alive today is collecting from it without having paid in to it their entire working life. It seems misleading to call this an expenditure in the sense that military spending is.

      There is also a distinct difference between healthcare spending and healthcare being received. The US spends a lot on “healthcare” that is actually insane insurance profiteering or useless administrative costs. There’s a reason the US has the highest expenditure per person in the world, but the worst health outcomes among any industrialized nation (and worse than some developing nations if you’re a minority).

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        Preach! “Medicare-For-All”, Single-Payer, whatever you want to call it, we need universal healthcare! It’s literally better and cheaper.

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    Well kinda depends on the country. Switzerland spends 2 bilion for the military but 8 bilion for education and 35 bilion for health care. I am sure, the balance looks pretty similar or even more extrem in the northic european country

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        Anyone who thinks AI will replace or diminish tech workers and especially IT/sysadmins is a fool… it’s like saying computers will replace scientists, or calculators will replace theoretical/applied mathematicians…

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          computers will replace scientists, or calculators will replace theoretical/applied mathematicians…

          Scientists and mathematicians are only safe because Pi is an irrational number and they know that.

          Everyone else is doomed.

          (Cackles in binary)

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    Every time there’s a war somewhere, i get reminded that “humanize” are a lot like chimps. They are so clever, nice to each other, only until things goes to sh*t unexpectedly. That’s when hell explodes, everything is “allowed” Faces get ripped off, fingers bitten off ect.

    I still don’t get why humans need wars are each period of peace. As if having too much good things got boring .

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      More about greed. Under the current system if everyone got along they would be poor for some reason(in comparison to the investment of war for development). And the system is such that having a war creates more income. So it’s not even about being angry at each other for xyz reason(religion is the easiest hot button) it’s that we’re all puppets for some very corrupt accountants.

      This is why I think it’s important how those in media spotlight should always be held accountable for lying or even spinning stories (creating widespread panic) Seats at the table should be balanced so the ‘fighting’ happens in congress and goes no further. not on the ground. No more of this bipartisan bullshit. And holding the ethical committees to the same punishment they pass down to the most impoverished person. A Supreme Court judge fucks up or take a bribe: prison time with gen pop. Or be treated as a traitor cuz really they should know better than everyone given their position.

      I’d say let’s rewrite this system but I know that would be asking too much.

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      The original is a soviet cold war era mockery of the USA from 1953. It’s name is “In America” and it’s a piece by Yuliy Ganf, an Ukrainian caricaturist for the Krokodil satirical magazine, mocking capitalism. The original carried the caption “This restaurant serves only one person…” and all the text was, logically, originally in Russian. Also notice the detail, the emblem of one of the waiters is a Nazi swastika.