A new lawsuit filed in federal court last month alleges that the Baton Rouge Police Department ran a “torture warehouse” where members of its Street Crimes Unit strip searched, beat, and otherwise humiliated people and then released them, often without their being charged with a crime. Soon after the lawsuit was filed, the FBI opened a civil rights investigation into the allegations of misconduct at the now-shuttered warehouse known as “the BRAVE Cave.”

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    100%. We as a society create laws. There is no point in making these laws if there is no one to enforce them. Further more, most Americans want police to show up when they dial 911. Defunding the police isn’t going to happen.

    What can happen, mandate body camera usage. Have an independent auditor review the footage. Prosecute the crimes discovered on the body cam footage. Terminate the police who do not use the mandated body cameras.

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      Defunding the police (horrible fucking slogan btw) isn’t about just cutting off police funds and saying fuck it. It’s about redirecting the funds to preventative and less militaristic interventions, including better audit equipment and oversight boards, non-lethal and non-armed social services and mental health interventions, and a refocus on community policing instead of military-style Jack Bauer larping.

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          I would just add the note that whatever the slogan, however branded the movement, there will be a concerted effort to delegitimize it, both from without and from within.

          Defending the police or dismantling existing departments and replacing them whole cloth is very likely the only viable solution when the cultures in and around the institutions are the problems.

          People seem to think that the marketing needs to be palatable. I don’t. It won’t matter. It will ultimately come to force. It’s unfortunate but the reality is that it seems like the force of violence is the highest truth in this world. We won’t get reforms through dialogue or nibbling at the edges. These institutions need to be forced to change, and they will resist. It will come down to individuals with strong wills who refuse to back down in the face of violence.

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            The solution is not in how you describe it but how you run it. The description is merely the vision on which you build or tear down as necessary. Merely saying defund x or y is no basis for evaluation needed for the widespread acceptance which will lead to implementation.

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        The current movement is spent & any traction gained has been lost due to bad messaging. The best thing would be to abandon it altogether, start with a coherent message & go with what you said.

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        No. It’s about defunding the police. I fucking hate liberals “joining” us and turning our solutions into milquetoast kicking of cans.

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          1. I’m not a “liberal”. 2. You can get fucked. 3. Pushing for complete police defunding police just outs you as a reactionary child and as someone without understanding of the realities of life. Like it or not there is a need for a civilian police force in society. The militarization of police, the complete lack of accountability and transparency, and the two tiered justice system re: police crimes and abuses are the problems. The fact that a civilian police force exists is not.

          Edit: 4. It’s not “your” idea, and certainly not a “solution” of any kind. We live in a society with diverse opinions, backgrounds, needs, and individual capabilities and proclivities. To paint with a broad reactionary brush and then look down your nose at people suggesting alternates along the same track again just confirms you’re immature and lack experience with any real community organizing or coalition building. You can keep your purity tests, but all it’s going to do is marginalize you.

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      I want whoever is best trained and equipped to deal with the problem to show up when I call 911. That ain’t always a guy with a gun who barely passed high school.