German Social Democratic Party leader Saskia Esken has boycotted a Bernie Sanders event over his supposedly anti-Israel statements. Bernie’s statement? “The targeting of civilians is a war crime, no matter who does it.”

ED: A recent episode with a popular German political podcaster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t01qZutfh4M

  • gibmiser@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    177
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    1 year ago

    Fucking virtue signaling for team Israel.
    It is OK to criticize or express caution about Israeli policies and government. That is NOT antisemitism.

    • livus@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      18
      ·
      1 year ago

      Might not be all that commited to her virtue signalling, at that.

      Someone who closely monitors her wikipedia page is trying to keep this information on her political position from appearing there…

    • Uranium3006@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      28
      arrow-down
      19
      ·
      1 year ago

      It’s antisemitism to insist that Jewish people who don’t even live there are connected to Israel’s crimes aginst humanity

    • Ooops@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      12
      arrow-down
      25
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      It is OK to criticize or express caution about Israeli policies and government.

      No, it’s not if you are German.

      And this has nothing to to with some signaling for team Israel. If a single high-ranking politician in Germany would be caught saying that Israel is commiting war crimes the international media wouldn’t need more than 30 minutes before the calls for invading to denazify Germany again would start. And with the usual hateful morons being in control it would only need to another 30 minutes before we had reached the bomb them all and finally destroy that failed country stage on social media.

      You should really try having any opinoin but one of highest praise and adoration for Israel as a random nobody from Germany on social media. Then you might understand actual reality. This is not Germans that call for your immidiate execution the moment you dare to criticise Israel.

      FFS… I dared to mention over on Reddit that Hamas’ terrorist acts don’t suddenly make Israel’s actions right and now have another dozen new messages calling me a nazi or calling for me to be shot (or both) for my collection, alongside with a lot of new messages from Reddit’s mental health bot offering me all the hotline numbers I obviously need before I start hurting my self and others in my unstable mental state.

      • orcrist@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        1 year ago

        Your rant is unfocused. I’m not sure it communicates much. Perhaps you could simplify?

      • knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        1 year ago

        It’s almost beyond belief, but it’s true.

        Even the simplest softest anti-Zionist criticisms are turned into huge anti-semitic proclamations, and those in turn are beyond the pale in Germany. In the last week Israel flags have sprung up everywhere, as well as missing person posters for Israelis supposedly abducted by Hamas.

        But that’s as far as German support for Jews goes - or maybe one should call it German repentance for the crimes of the Nazis.

        At the same time anti-semitic violence has always been happening in the background, but it’s never really reported on or discussed. There are regular Nazi “cells” discovered within police and military, but it’s always “isolated incidents.” The constitutional protection agency (Verfassungsschutz) is run by Nazi adjacents. That’s just the tip of the iceberg.

  • roguetrick@kbin.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    126
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    1 year ago

    A member of Senator Sanders’s staff said that as far as he knew, “Bernie had never heard of Saskia Esken, but I’m sure he would have been pleased to meet her.”

    Hahahaha

  • Cylusthevirus@kbin.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    117
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    1 year ago

    So … the German is boycotting the Jewish guy’s event over his statements regarding the morality of war crimes. The Onion is doomed, we’re out of satire.

  • Redex@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    45
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    1 year ago

    Literally the only American politician with any integrity who stands by his beliefs and ofc he never wins an election. This is why we can’t have nice things, because apparently feeding homeless people is communism but subsidising dying fossil fuel industries is patriotism.

    • roguetrick@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      21
      ·
      1 year ago

      I wouldn’t knock the electability anyone who can win senator or governor, particularly for as long as Bennie has held on.

    • Jo Miran
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      21
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      My father taught me something early on which I paraphrase as “when in doubt, shut the fuck up”. Clearly that lady was not taught that lesson.

    • dustyData@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      10
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      Are they still doing that thing that when reality turns out this absurd they start posting actual straight journalist reports?

  • Aceticon@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    27
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    1 year ago

    German politician is against Jew who made a clear stand against war crimes.

    Sounds familiar, somehow.

  • zerfuffle
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    22
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    1 year ago

    According to the IDF, targeting civilians is their right.

  • dumdum666@kbin.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    21
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    1 year ago

    If indeed only this sentence was the reason for Esken to cancel the meeting - it is a clear overreaction. Nobody should be on board with targeting civilians - meaning: they should not get attacked on purpose. Never.

  • roguetrick@kbin.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    18
    ·
    1 year ago

    I like that Bernie’s response to “eat the rich is” “No, no, no, that’s a start, but it’s not enough.”

  • TWeaK@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    15
    ·
    1 year ago

    A member of Senator Sanders’s staff said that as far as he knew, “Bernie had never heard of Saskia Esken, but I’m sure he would have been pleased to meet her.”