Of course Israel knows this is not possible, but it’s a nice statement to point at every time they get caught killing civilians. “Look we told them to leave, nothing we can do after that.”
Would you rather they wouldn’t provide this warning then?
I would rather they don’t commit war crimes :)
Where is that smile coming from? Is this a funny online game of words for you?
Israel has to defeat Hamas decisively and Hamas just tries to save their own sorry asses by telling the civilian population to stay where the israelian ground offensive will start. It is a deliberate plan by Hamas that civilians get killed. They want those pictures to drum up their support in Arab states.
If someone is putting civilians between you and them and you still shoot, you are not better than them.
So bombing the people who are evacuating is all good then, right? You should try to not have a hard-on while talking about killing people
So I just heard about this whole thing last night. What is the preferred Israeli response to this?
To me it looks like Hamas using occupied buildings as places to attack from, the Israel being told they aren’t allowed to hit back at people using human shields.
Stop the occupation of Palestine, stop the settlement of the West Bank, and stop the apartheid status of Palestinians in Israel. Then either allow Palestine to be an independent country in the UN, responsible for their own security and economy. Or give all Palestinians voting rights in Israel as a one state solution. After that is set and done set up an independent criminal court to judge on all war crimes and crimes against humanity committed in this region, this will of course also include Hamas.
Not murder innocents.
I forgot though, because of the fact that someone else did something wrong we can do the same and not be the bad guys. Right?
Your response seems to be equivalent to “never defend yourself against someone holding an innocent hostage.”
To clarify, I’m not sure what response doesn’t result in more innocent people dying.
I don’t really care about this specific conflict more than any other. And morally I don’t care for the lives of one side more than the other. And morally I don’t care who lived in what cities 100 years ago (note: unless those specific people are involved).
My confusion seems to be that the ‘right’ response people seem to want to this is no response.
Israel definitely is well within their rights to retaliate against Hamas, it would be foolish to claim otherwise. It’s the exact way they are doing it that is the issue, they are behaving nearly as poorly as their enemy. You can’t just tell the world “look at the barbarity of Hamas slaughtering innocent civilians just out there kibbutzing” and then turn around and bomb civilian hospitals, completely disregard rules of engagement around medical aid killing humanitarian volunteers you were aware of, shutting off all power, water and closing food supply to the Gaza strip, and then act like it’s somehow better than that.
Hamas absolutely sucks and Israel has every right to defend themselves from terrorism, but the Palestinian children buried under rubble didn’t deserve any of this. (Neither did the Israeli citizens who were slaughtered and kidnapped for that matter.)
Israel has the technology, the troops, and the tactics to be far more precise and surgical in their retaliation, but their response has been punitive and brutal, and seems to almost maximize collateral damage. Of course that’s what Netanyahu and his thugs will all but directly say they want given the opportunity to speak. I do not believe that properly represents the citizens of Israel who are generally much more sympathetic to the people of Palestine.
Both the citizens of Israel and Palestine have been failed by their leadership. Agree or disagree, at this point, I just had to write that down somewhere. I know people from both Palestine and Israel, wonderful people, all this is heartbreaking.
War is hell, even if you play by the rules, why make it even worse?
Thanks. It’s hard for me to judge tactics from video, as I can’t really tell what is accidental collateral damage vs purposeful. The statements by Israeli leadership definitely supports the view that they are purposefully being punitive… which is monstrous.
Idk but bombing innocents doing what you said and trying to evacuate isn’t 1 of the steps.
Neither is bombing near one of the few border crossings they could use isn’t one either
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Warning me isn’t really the point, how are they getting the message out to civilians if they cut power to Gaza days ago?
They have been dropping leaflets into palastine.
The problem is that they are based on two false assumptions.
The IDF today dropped leaflets over Beit Lahia in the Gaza Strip calling on people to leave their homes and go to shelters
There are no bomb shelters in Palestine or place to run to. If there were, Hamas would take them over. They are literally sardines. Unless Egypt will take refugees, so far that looks like a no.
The leaflet does not specify humanitarian corridors or how they can flee.
Well, they went old school and dropped flyers.
Can you link the flight trackers?
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So, more war crimes incoming.
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It’s the word of the day every day they be doing war crimes.
Not only is it impossible to evacuate that many people in that short a time, but they’re basically declaring that they’re going to use their military to targer and kill civilians.
Which is a war crime.
“Hamas did it first” doesn’t give them a pass here. If it’s not ok for Hamas, it’s not ok for the Israeli state. And inverting that, if it is ok for the Israeli state…
You are using a term you don’t fully understand to try to cudgle popular opinion without acknowledging your own hypocrisy of not acknowledging that this began with the slaughter of civilians to begin with. I’m sure countries like Iran love you for it,
You don’t know if it’s a short time. The time is not specified. If Hamas uses human shields, is that not a war crime?
acknowledging that this began with the slaughter of civilians
Don’t forget the demolition of houses, and the stealing of land too.
Hey, you’re not allowed to talk about the decades of an apartheid state’s treatment of these people or the systematic destruction of their infrastructure to be stolen by illegal settlers or the fact that Israel is directly responsible for creating Hamas; all the history for this conflict started like 6 months ago!
all the history for this conflict started like 6 months ago
No, no, that’s a very long time filled with heinous acts that we cannot let surface. This conflict started 6 days ago.
Where do you think Hamas is at? This happens every time. Hamas uses human shields of Palestinians. israel bombs their ass in the houses they hang out is. Liberals get upset and scream war crime. Israeli then stops.
But, will that happen this time? By my reading the answer is no. Israel will make a full force invasion and much blood will be spilled on both sides.
Instead of carrying Hamas water, you should support, as I do, the US Secretary of State who knows what is coming and is trying to setup humanitarian corridors for the humanitarian crisis that is sure to come.
Yes if Hamas uses human shields, and that is actually a war crime, which I have to believe it is but loopholes and exclusions abound in treaties, then that IS a war crime. Full stop.
Does that make it okay for others to commit war crimes?
If someone rapes or kills someone daughter, does that mean that the father gets a free pass to rape or murder the original rapist/murderer’s daughter even though she had nothing to do with it other than by happenstance of being the rapist/murderer’s daughter?
Just to reiterate, Hamas committing war crimes is Bad!
But, what you are saying is Hamas strategy of human shields should work. Israel has no recourse?
Yes, that’s sort of how human Shields work.
If you’re willing to kill an innocent to get your way you’re the bad guy in that situation.
And just to be perfectly clear here, I do live in America, and we have been the bad guy many fucking times.
I fucking hate it and I don’t understand why none of the rest of you can learn from our fuck ups.
No country, not even the US, is not going to defend 8tself after being attacked. If human shields are used, you can try to take precautions but shit does happen when you’re being shot at.
Forgive us sir, I didn’t realize that civilians getting burned with white phosphorus, highly NSFL/NSFW was such a boring event for you.
But in reality you are probably just numb as all of us to what is happening because:
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There is nothing we can do, except social pressure.
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There is nothing that will be done. Until everyone has had their fill of violence.
But today’s word of the day is war crime, tomorrow’s word of the day doesn’t have to be.
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JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel’s military told some 1 million Palestinians on Friday to evacuate northern Gaza and head to the southern part of the besieged territory, an unprecedented order applying to almost half the population ahead of an expected ground invasion against the ruling Hamas militant group.
Hamas, which staged a shocking and brutal attack on Israel nearly a week ago and has fired thousands of rockets since, dismissed it as a ploy and called on people to stay in their homes.
The evacuation order, which includes Gaza City, home to hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, sparked widespread panic among civilians and aid workers already running from Israeli airstrikes and contending with a total siege and a territory-wide blackout.
Israel has bombarded Gaza round-the-clock since a weekend attack in which Hamas fighters stormed into the country’s south and massacred hundreds, including killing children in their homes and young people at a music festival.
Egypt, which made peace with Israel decades ago and has long served as a regional mediator, is staunchly opposed to resettling Palestinians on its territory, both because of the costs involved and because it would undermine their quest for an independent state.
On Thursday, Israel said its complete siege of Gaza — which has left Palestinians desperate for food, fuel and medicine — would remain in place until Hamas militants free the hostages taken.
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