• M500
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    1 year ago

    What is the realistic alternative? At this point I’m just happy if the Republicans stop gaining power. Once they are not so crazy, then we can move further left.

    • When was the last time the Dems got more left wing? Biden is the one pulling the shit in the meme and doomed American railroads by breaking that strike, Obama’s admin is the reason slave markets could open in Libya, Clinton ratified NAFTA and did all that epstein stuff, this is not a conclusive list of any of their deeds.

      How could you possibly drag that party left? They have resisted turning left at every turn largely in spite of their base and they keep getting elected. I personally don’t think it could be done and the alternative is to either vote 3rd party or spoil your ballot when the time comes around.

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      What do you mean “once they are not so crazy?” Both parties have only been moving further right, and the Republicans have no reason to stop when they know that every time they push their side of the Overton window right, the Democrats will match them on their side to lock it in.

    • the_post_of_tom_joad [any, any]@hexbear.net
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      Dawg the Democrats have been, they are, and they will continue to finance and promote far-right Republican candidates as a campaign strategy.

      They prefer to run against candidates like that in the general. There won’t be an end by design

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      The DNC is perfectly happy continuing to enforce whatever bullshit the GOP passes, they only wait for permission to enforce it. We’re only going to have an ethical government when it is built from the ground up to be ethical, free from our current constitution’s bias towards wealthy land owners such as the founding fathers who wrote it.

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      If they moved farther left then they would stop the Republicans so much easier. People like getting stuff for paying taxes, if they did even the most tepid soc-dem shit instead of whatever bullshit they’re on, they’d rule unopposed for a century. How many times does someone like Nancy Pelosi have to say that they need a “strong Republican party” before you believe that will not help except by accident?

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      Feel free to cast your individual vote for Dems if it makes you more comfortable. It doesn’t really matter and there’s usually no meaningful choice anyways.

      But if you’re spending any other time trying to support them, like joining the party or going to some protest that accomplishes nothing or trying to convince others to do so, I would recommend taking that energy and putting it into left organizing as part of a local leftist organization.

      Our power as the working class is actually rooted in collective action, including labor actions to withhold labor, to disrupt capitalist structures of control, to shut down infrastructure, to demand attention for our causes. There are many more of us than there are in the ruling class (the class that controls the Democrats), but we fail to realize our power because we are disorganized and full of false consciousness about how the world operates. The reason the ruling class wants you to focus on bourgeois electoralism is that it is no threat to them. Being embedded in the work that is or becomes a threat is much more powerful. You’ll find that you punch above your weight (in power) in a competent left organization, way more than any Democrat activity ever offered.

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      The realistic alternative is supporting organized labor, mutual aid, local candidacies and local issues that might actually accomplish something tangible. Picking up a gun if you have to. Vote for fun if you want but know that it’s a ritual you perform in place of politics.

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      Lmao it’s a marginal difference, so little that your energy is 1000x better spent worrying about and doing other things

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      What are the democrats better on? From where I’m standing, they’re continuing trump era policies, and in some cases making things worse

      Edit: they didn’t respond to a single one of us 🤔