We all know the hypocrisies of the pro- Israel stances, I’m not going into specific arguments but it’s just everywhere. Normal people seem to have bought in even quicker than they did with supporting Ukraine. it’s awful. Free Palestine.

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    Man they applauded a SS veteran in parliament twice in a row after announcing who he was and that he fought russians in WW2. They have installed fascists into power in over a dozen countries throughout the world. They are Nazis.

    It’s not a contradiction. Ukraine is a fascist nazi project. Israel is a fascist nazi project. The fascist nazis will always support both without hesitation. Following liberal Ideology around and taking it at face value is a foolish, idealist undertaking that will only leave you more confounded than when you started - use a materialist lens to describe what their empire does instead, and who’s interests are hurt or benefitted by actions.

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        you’re wondering about the “contradiction” of supporting both Ukraine and Israel. There isn’t one, and if you think there is you believe a false Liberal version of one or both of these conflicts. It’s perfectly understandable for reactionary imperialists to support reactionary imperialist projects of theirs that they have invested billions of dollars in.

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            I guess I just don’t believe Liberal “ideology” is genuine or coherent so I don’t really care about what they “say” but what they “do”. My point is following their points around and trying to make sense of them and put them together is the wrong way to approach this, because they are bad faith lying nazis who will say whatever they can to further their own imperialist interests. The things they say are lies, not contradictions.

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                sure, I maybe jumped on it because I see a lot of online radlibs taking a weird rhetorical position of “Why don’t we support both both Ukraine and Palestine?” and maybe too quickly lumped you in with them thinking that it’s actually contradictory to support both Ukraine and Israel. Many of those radlibs may even be trying to do a hypocrisy own on the Liberals by pointing out this “contradiction” to them, and my point is that this is a flawed way to approach it as those liberals won’t be convinced by pointing out a double standard/hypocrisy, as their true underlying motivations are aligned in both cases and there’s no contradiction in their minds.

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              Its not coherent, but it very much is genuine in most cases. Most of the contradictions in liberal beliefs aren’t immediately obvious enough to occur to people who don’t really have much of a vested interest in what they believe.