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“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel, everything is closed,” Gallant said. “We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.”
“We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.”
Jesus fucking Christ.
This feels like a humanitarian crisis that will soon become a full genocide.
It feels like the Israeli govt has used this terrorist attack to become terrorists themselves.
Since inception, you mean friend.
I don’t think it is outside of the realm of possibility that in 30 years we learn that the Mossad knew about this and were ordered to let it happen. The intelligence fuckup was so enormous that it seems plausible they at least knew something was up. And the Israeli government has proven itself cynical enough to lend such a thought possible.
There was rumor that they were observed training for this and the authorities told something was up. Which they seemingly ignored. Defense forces have to be right all the time however. Attackers only need to be right once. So be careful reading a lot into it.
Yep, I’d imagine most times when there have been air strikes, incursions, raids etc. Where they’ve destroyed weapons or captured/killed some terrorist leader could have thwarted similar events.
I mean they’ve been like that since forever, but now they’re showing their true colors (more than they were).
They are “acting accordingly” by performing an ethnic cleansing. How disgustingly ironic.
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ok Israel, tell us you’re openly planning to violate the Geneva Convention without telling us…
They already have for decades. It’s pretty well known they have killed wounded, children and civilian/non-combatants, and specifically target medical facilities. There’s even no actual Red Cross in Israel, the President of Israel appoints the president of the Magen David Adom. Something that only happens in a few authoritarian contexts. The ICRC has spend decades trying to get them to international humanitarian standards, but they stubbornly refused and even used financial manipulation (from the American Red Cross on behalf of Israel) to pressure the movement into folding to their demands. Even after being admitted with the approval of the red crystal, they still continue to violate the conditions of their admittance to the movement. They are not supposed to operate outside of Israel but still act on the West Bank and break the conditions all the time. They’re the only Red Cross who is mandated by their state to act as an arm of the army in the event of a war. Something that is explicitly against the principles of the movement and the Conventions.
Best not to
pokebomb the sleeping giant.
No electricity, no food, no water…
If everyday people have the choice of sitting and starving or doing something about it, I doubt many would go quietly into the night.
Israel will create the next generation of extremists if they do not kill every single person in Gaza. We’ve seen this in every modern Middle East conflict in the past 40 or so years.
I always find it odd how people blame “extremists” and the Palestinians for this.
Israel starts to steal homes, land and killing men, children and women. No one bat an eye to that.
Then extremists and hate towards Israel came and bam, they are the bad ones suddenly.
Certainly what Hamas does is entirely wrong however - People cannot expect them be silent and get killed by Israeli forces.
This is what happens from decades upon decades of oppression.
This entire conflict was created by Israel stealing land and starting an genocide mission on Palestinians.
Israel is colonining with supperior force and mostly quite or support world order.
Palestinians are fucked. And have been for decades.
They deff should be fighting for it but this is a futile exercise.
Either way, the world until recently game Israel blank check but public opinion is changing on these human rights violations by an allegededly modern state.
Gen Z in the US does seem to be all that interested in continue US support. So Israel got about 20 years to either kill them off or having to deal with palestiains under different political conditions which won’t b as favorable.
Even killing every person in Gaza will just bread more extremists. Gazans are not the only Palestinians and they are not the only ones affected by Israeli oppression.
Israel should negotiate with Hamas NOW and stop the siege on Gaza fully.
How do you negotiate with someone that just kidnapped and executed or planning to execute hundreds of civilians?
What do you ask for here? And what do you give up?
Release Palestinians illegally detained by Israel without trial in place fo the hoostages.
You know what. Sure. I think Israel will go for this.
Release of all illegally detained Palestinians.
In return, Israel gets
- safe return of all hostages taken
- complete surrender of all Hamas leadership
- complete surrender and custody of all Palestinian combatants
- including anyone who conspired or otherwise assisted in the recent act of terrorism
Feels to me like that wouldn’t work on Hamas’ side. Another situation where Israel is the total winner.
Well since Hamas has already executed civilians, and Israel has both the military advantage and support of world leaders, they are not exactly negotiating from a position of strength.
I don’t think your plan would even remotely lead to a joint country solution, more like Israel just wins.
Israel has executed their own disproportionally large share of civilians today.
How do you negotiate with someone that just kidnapped and executed or planning to execute hundreds of civilians?
You don’t. There’s no negotiating with terrorists, it’s too late. There is no good solution. The best Israel can do right now is make every effort to target Hamas, minimize civilian casualties and try to rescue as many people as they can.
If they go nuts and start trying to exterminate in Gaza they’ll just fuel the next terrorist standoffs and keep this going for several more decades.
If they go nuts and start trying to exterminate in Gaza they’ll just fuel the next terrorist standoffs and keep this going for several more decades.
Hey, guess what’s going to happen!
I hope I’m wrong.
But I doubt it.
I hope so too, but measured and calm behavior is not what I’ve come to expect from Bibi unfortunately.
You think the ones who escape are going to turn over a new leaf? Or the ones looking on from without?
I think the goal might just be to kill every single person in Gaza
I imagine if Germany or Japan had the same mentality, they wouldn’t be where they are now. A good leader would focus on the future of their own people, not bringing them into destruction.
Oh god. My heart goes out to the civilians of Gaza.
Cool so they’re announcing they’re doing war crimes?
They never weren’t, but they at least had the decency to pretend like they weren’t before.
Taking and killing hostages are both war crimes.
Oh, so war crimes are justified as long as the other side does it first?
Yes but this particular news story is about Israel publicly announcing a war crime.
One of these is a state. A state with US military support.
And war crimes justify war crimes?
Murder is against the law in western countries but of someone tries to kill you, you can kill them in self defense.
So yea of someone is committing war crimes against you, you can fo ahead and fight back to get them to stop
War crimes are war crimes, doesn’t matter if the other side started them first. Israel is stooping just as low as Hamas is with these tactics, you can and should fight in self defense without targeting Civilians
They don’t target civilians. Hamas does.
When you build your headquarters inside a civilian hospital, and that hospital gets bombed, you are to blame for the war crime of positioning your HQ in a civilian hospital, not the person who bombs you.
If you build an HQ in a hospital that’s (likely? I’d assume so) a war crime. If your opponent then bombs that hospital to bomb you they are also committing a war crime. Some of you are insane, would you agree with the police shooting hostages because “well they took the hostages first, it’s their fault we shot them”. Fuck no, you’d cry for whoever did that to go to prison. Just because Hamas is stooping so low does not suddenly make it OK for Israel to stoop just about as low.
I only know the war crimes I was taught about that can plausibly be laid on Jews
Yeah I’m aware. Show me on the doll where ((George Soros)) and the ((globalists)) hurt you.
In the real world - sadly, yes.
so wait. Siege is a war crime? Not taking a side, I’m just a technicalities kind of guy. Its not like locking people in a house. And don’t hostage negotiators do just that in the US? (Could be just on tv). But it’s a big place. Fuel and electricity are nice to haves. They should have some amount of food and water stored up. And the southern border is with egypt, so I assume they can’t actually do anything about that. Doesn’t seem like a straight up war crime. But I have never read yhe definitions they have at the UN.
Using hunger as a weapons against a populace is 100% a war crime, yes.
I just took a gander at the list as a refresher, and it is not 100% a war crime. You can argue this is an unjustified or excessive attack on civilians, but a judge may rule that is is required to defend against the enemy (Hamas).
Item 2.b.25 from the list seems to match up:
"Intentionally using starvation of civilians as a method of warfare by depriving them of objects indispensable to their survival, including wilfully impeding relief supplies as provided for under the Geneva Conventions; "
Is the intent to starve civilians or to deprive hamas combatants of any and all supplies?
If you are blocking an entire region from getting food and water then yes, the intent is to starve the civilian population.
Regardless of what we feel is intended or not, that is what war is - hell for everybody involved. Let’s just hope that this doesn’t get drawn out.
That’s not what “intent to starve a civilian population” means. This is not a program of starvation. It’s cutting off resources before an invasion
This isn’t your homebrew DnD game where you can make rules mean whatever you want.
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It’s not really about religion. It’s about tribalism and sabre rattling.
One side is barbaric, another side cowardly, so their sabre rattling doesn’t look very impressive, rather disgusting in both cases.
Religion is like guns, you can use it either for good or evil :)
We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly
So business as usual, eh?
It’s just crazy to me that Israel went from forced migration, following ghetto concentration, to concentrating others with the same dehumanizing rhetoric in the space if a generation.
Not to excuse Hamas’ actions in the slightest, the rocket attack is unjustifiable no matter anyone’s political beliefs. But it boggles my mind that a national identity can flip so drastically that Palestine can be put into de facto concentration camps by people who remember being in camps (albeit in tiny surviving numbers nowadays).
Propaganda works folks. Don’t be a sucker.
It’s more understandable when you listen to the Jewish arguments about needing to protect themselves against people who want to kill them, they see themselves as being inside the walls and defending themselves so they see their actions as justifiable because the alternative is another genocide.
It’s hard because neither side is entirely right or wrong, Hamas is a terrorist organisation that gets help from other terrorist organisations - the thousands of missiles they fired over the last few days didn’t come from nowhere, we can’t deny that Iran is a repressive and brutal regime that would love to see all Jewish people dead for religious reasons, just like they hate gay people, women, and so many other groups.
That of course isn’t to say there aren’t awfull racist Jewish people who hate Muslims, but Israel as a nation is starting to work well with many Arab nations such as Jordan and Saudi Arabia. The country has a lot of problems but is doing a lot of good things in the region also, and it’s doing them working with many Arabs and Arab nations. They see themselves as trying to be good people and they know if they tore down their walls then they’d be massacred, it is understandable how they justify looking the other way when the IDF are brutal or their government makes questionable choices.
Thats a bit too much… food and water at minimum
Maybe don’t bite the hand that feeds you. It is and it continues to be a complete disaster.
What about the hand that is wrapped around your throat…?
Maybe don’t be a hand that feeds. Palestinians didn’t choose to live in the Gaza Strip. They were relegated to the Gaza Strip.
Sure, if you say so. Reality remains the same. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.
No, just accept surrender and be dehumanized.
Or accept one of the countless proposals for peace.
Like which one? Give me one that you think sounded reasonable that the Palestinians did not accept.
Any of them. Pick one you don’t like and I’ll say that one.
“Man those slaves don’t understand how nice they have it. We provide them a hole to sleep in and food and water whenever we have some to spare or remember to give it to them…
God why can’t they just be good and respect how much worse we could treat them?! Ugh they act like they are humans when you can see how feral they truly are, watch I’ll beat this one and it doesn’t even learn it’s lesson, just gets angrier and more deranged.
Well guess we just have to show the wild animals that they aren’t people and if they continue to bite the hand that feeds them we take away their kids to punish them for thinking they have any control.
Stay subservient cause I’m better and more human than you.”Hey. Go fuck yourself.
Do you need help building a bigger straw man?
Blaming the oppressed for being upset about being oppressed and downtrodden is a dick move. I figured maybe hyperbold would make you see that you are a jackass but nah you’d happily be holding the whip it seems.
Many Palestinians will end up dying from this. Hamas destroyed any chance there was of peace happening.
Peace was literally never an option Israel offered.
That’s untrue, Israel offered peace a lot of times to Palestine before the Hamas took control in 2007. After Hamas it of course was never an option, the main purpose Hamas sees in itself is the complete destruction of Israel
People here are not fans of the facts you are inconveniencing then with
I agree.
If only the Ukrainians did the same and offered the “peace” that Russia offers them.
Just compromise and give up your ancestral lands.
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Looks like someone got a blank check for a genocide finally…
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Don’t tell me that Hamas didn’t know how Israel would react. To keep the hate flowing is the goal of all extremists.
Edit: That Netanyahu openly admitted to support Hamas on some occasions, shows that Hamas AND Netanjahu want each other as permanent enemies: https://kbin.social/m/worldnews@lemmy.ml/t/526488/Anyone-who-wants-to-thwart-the-establishment-of-a-Palestinian
Since many of you seem to think of themselves as having viable solutions for the Israel/Palestine conflict- go ahead: Tell us how Israel should act after this Terrorist Attack.
Please refrain from bad faith arguments and stuff like „Israel should dissolve itself“ (because you and I know, that’s not going to happen)
They should take down the walls, negotiate with Hamas, return lands to Gaza, end the blockade and start a very long fucking peace process.
You do realize that Israel withdrew completely from Gaza territory in 2005, right? They haven’t occupied any land in the area for almost 20 years.
You left out the part where they put them under siege and control the influx of water, fuel, electricity, goods, and people.
So they haven’t occupied them, they have just put them in an open air prison.
It’s the sort of thing that happens if you keep attacking your neighbors. Hells, not even Egypt wants anything to do with the Hamas gov:t in Gaza. That’s how bad it is.
You still are leaving out the part where Israel is the one controlling the siege. Things with Egypt are politics. The checkpoint there under Egypt’s current government has been “open” (as open as it gets in this situation), which still doesn’t mean much and you can’t get anything through.
These people are under a blockade, completely controlled by Israel, with their own neighbours betraying them.
How Egypt and Israel feel about the Hamas gov’t does not justify holding 2 million people hostage with no water or fuel or electricity.
Regardless of what we feel is justified or not, that is what war is - hell for everybody involved. Let’s just hope that this doesn’t get drawn out.
Isreal now sees Hamas as an existential threat. The only way to end the bloodshed would be Hamas offering an unconditional surrender.
The only way to end the bloodshed would be Hamas offering an unconditional surrender.
And then what happens? Will Palestinians be guaranteed their basic rights? If Palestinians are not given the chance to be full citizens and have self-determination, this will only repeat in another 2-3 years.
I do not think you understand how bad this is going to get for Palestinians in Gaza. Hamas has just perpetrated the worst terrorist attack in Isreals history.
From everything I am reading these are not just retaliatory strikes. Isreal is preparing for a full offensive on Gaza involving tanks, artillery and infantry. This could very well end with Gaza looking like Grozny, Mariupol, or Bakhmut.
I hope that doesn’t happen, but if Hamas cared at all about the Palestinian people they would do everything in their power to avoid that. Unfortunately they only care about power and I think this is going to get very ugly in the next phase of the war.
but if Hamas cared at all about the Palestinian people they would do everything in their power to avoid that.
but if Israel cared at all about the Palestinian people they would do everything in their power to avoid that.
Everything goes both ways exactly the same.
Israel is out for revenge and as I have written elsewhere: When they enter Gaza, they want to get attacked. Because after an attack they will retaliate and every dead civilian, while retaliating against Hamas, will be considered collateral damage.
Hamas made the whole Gaza Invasion an easy sell for a lot of people. And no, I don’t think that it is ok to kill civilians.
My illusory wish for the Middle East would be something like a joint state of Palestinians AND Israelis - so that they can all access their holy sites. Forcing both sides to work together.
Hmmm, so if you were Hamas, for example, and you decide to deescalate in hopes of eventually reaching an agreement over a joint state, what would you do?
Also the same question but if you were Israel, what would you do (let’s say today) to deescalate and seek a joint state solution?
How the fuck do you negotiate with a state that does not beleive Israel should exist?
The Palestinians brought this on themselves.
The Palestinians brought this on themselves.
How?
Well they existed in a place for a few hundred years peacefully and then a bunch of white people thousands of miles away made a decision and so its all their fault! Super simple, really! Barely an inconvenience for the white people.
They support a government that refuses to talk peace. The position of Hamas, in its founding documents, is that the state of Israel should be exterminated. You reap what you sow.
But the state of Israel is also trying to “exterminate” Palestinians. Everything from their far right gov’t to people chanting “Death to Arabs” on the street.
It takes two to tango. If Hamas should step down, then Israel should step down at exactly the same moment.
How do you negotiate with a state that does not believe Palestine should exist?
False. From its inception, Israel has recognized the need for Palestinian autonomous territory.
The Israeli rhetoric is that Palestine never existed.
Then why does Israel keep occupying Palestinian territory?
Members of Netanyahu’s cabinet openly advocate annexation of large parts of the West Bank and have accelerated settlement construction.
Cutting off food and water for 2.3 million people.
The irony of Israel recreating the Warsaw ghetto is amazing.
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“How can we support colonisation and genocide in this day and age.”
“Israel shouldn’t exist.”
I think the answer was inside yourself the entire time.
How do you say I’m antisemtic without saying I’m antisemitic.
He didn’t say a word about Jews, how’s that antisemitic? Israel country does not equal Jewish people.
Ethnostates should not exist.
You did it Hamas!
Did what? Cut water and electricity off 2 million Gazan civilians?
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“We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.”
This. Hamas leaders either have so very low IQ to not be able predict how israel would retaliate, or they just don’t care about their own people’s lives. Hamas and their terrorist goons do not deserved to be called a human.
Unfortunately they are just as human as anyone. This is the point, humans do this.
