The mother of a woman whose body was paraded through the streets by Hamas has pleaded for help finding her daughter.

A video showing German tattoo artist Shani Louk on the back of a pickup truck circulated on social media after the Palestinian militant group Hamas attacked Israel on October 7.

Louk had been attending an outdoor “Festival for Peace” party near Kibbutz Urim when the area was targeted. First, rockets were launched, then gunmen and appeared and shot into the crowd, CNN reported. Party attendees told the outlet people immediately started to flee, passing dead bodies on the ground as they tried to escape the massacre.

The attack and resulting conflict has left hundreds of Israelis and Palestinians dead, with Israel’s prime minister declaring war.

A video of a young woman with dreadlocks on the back of a pickup truck and surrounded by Hamas soldiers started circulating on social media shortly after the attack. In it, she appears stripped to her underwear, and her legs are bent at unnatural angles, while one soldier grabs her hair. People are also seen spitting on her body.

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        Native Americans did fuck people up. They weren’t innocent, they fought back and when the colonizers started mutilating people’s corpses they retaliated in kind. There is no perfect victim.

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          There is no perfect victim.

          Mahatma Gandhi’s indians?

          Martin Luther King Jr.'s african americans?

          I’m sure there were some bad apples in both of those groups, but a majority of them achieved their goals via peaceful means. The majority of palestinians are assholes.

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            The majority of palestinians are assholes.

            Yeah, that’s totally unbiased and sensical. /s

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                A noteworthy survey from the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PCPSR) unveiled that 58% in Gaza and 42% in the West Bank favor Hamas. Intriguingly, younger Palestinians and Gaza residents displayed stronger support, especially those viewing Hamas as Palestine’s ideal representative and resistor against Israel.

                Those are the stats from 2021. Yes, so what about the other 50%? Do you think there is a bit more complication going into supporting Hamas? Or does that conclusion lead you to “they are assholes”? My question is, how? Walk me through your reasoning.

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                  Yes, I’m sure that they have reasons to be assholes, but if we go into that, we cannot really call anyone an asshole, because every asshole’s assholiness is based on previous events.

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                    Yes, I’m sure that they have reasons to be assholes,

                    Is apartheid a good enough reason, in your opinion?

                    Also, what would your reaction be if I said something like The majority of Jewish people are assholes? And then to prove it, what if I just linked to this survey from B’Tselem that states:

                    An interesting finding shows only tepid support for the Nation State Basic Law that establishes Jewish supremacy as a constitutional principle, a law that was enacted with broad political support from most of the Zionist parties:

                    • Over one third of all Israelis support repealing the Nation State law (36% of all Israelis, and 29% of Jews).
                    • Only 46% of Israelis (53% of Jews) support keeping the law as is (the remainder take no position).

                    These numbers show that only one-third of Jewish people residing in Israel or in the occupied territories believe that this Jewish supremacy law should be removed.

                    So at this point, is it useful in any way or even descriptive of the situation at hand to say The majority of Jewish people are assholes? Is it acceptable? Is it racist?

                    I think there is a lot of misuse of statistics being done here. No single survey can show us the truth accurately, but surveys and statistics can only bring us closer to understanding the big picture.

                    Saying things like *The majority of Palestinians are assholes" makes you come off as a one-dimensional character with cartoon reasoning.

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            That’s like saying “the Palestinians who aren’t Hamas”. MLK himself said that his movement benefited greatly because people were forced to pay attention to it. If it could have been ignored then it probably would have been, but it presented an alternative to the more violent and terroristic solutions to racism presented by some of MLK’s contemporaries, so even there you can’t separate out that movement from the context and expect it to stand alone.

            Also i hear shit like “the majority of black people are assholes” from racist fuckers all the time so this post is giving me kinda mixed messages.

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        As fucked as Israel treats many in the strip, you don’t see crowds of civilians joining in to rape women or spit on the corpses of Innocents

        Because it’s possible not to when you have access to water and, generally, the basic necessities of life. Live under constant oppression, though? Moral systems cease to apply, instinct takes over, and baseline human nature is metal.

        Suppose you corner a cat. Would you blame her if you get scratched? Same shit, grander scale. Don’t push people to desperation and fascist orgs like Hamas wouldn’t have the support they have.

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        You’re stripping context away. This is all you anti-Palestinians, pro-Zionists do to push your genocidal views.

        Here’s the difference. As fucked as Israel treats many in the strip, you don’t see crowds of civilians joining in to rape women or spit on the corpses of Innocents. You see soldiers do fucked things sure but the average person isn’t involved.

        The shit that Hamas just did? Streets filled with people joining in and celebrating women being paraded around. You see civilians jumping into the truck with them to rape them. You see celebrations all around the world about this.

        There’s no proof or evidence of any rape happening. This is just you making the assumption that since women are taken, they must have been raped by these savage Palestinians. This is pure, unadulterated racism. Sure, it could have happened and it could be happening, but there’s literally no proof of it anywhere. You’re literally just making shit up because you’re racist.

        You know what you’ve never talked about or thought of in your life? The decades long documented torture and raping campaign of Palestinians by Israel never mind all the tens of thousands of dead Palestinians. None of this makes you bat an eye.

        On top of this, most countries don’t even want Palestinians because of how fucked they are. Look what happened in Egypt when they accepted them. They don’t anymore for a reason.

        What you’re saying is just a straight up lie backed up with nothing.

        I don’t know why you think racism against Palestinians is okay. This is literally identical to every other genocidal campaign throughout history. “These other people are savages and ‘fucked’ and can’t be civil, therefore, it’s okay to treat them the way they are treated.”

        They absolutely deserve what is coming to them. Israel is still doing roof knocks to warn Innocents and they absolutely shouldn’t at this point.

        There’s no difference between you and the people after 9/11 thinking we should nuke the entire Middle East into oblivion. You’re the same person. Very stupid, very emotional. We’re all glad the only power you have over anyone is yourself. You’re an unhinged nutjob.

        Need a modern day crusade to clean that country out of these people who believe that it’s acceptable to rape and kill old people.

        So everyone in every Western military and government too? Or that doesn’t count because it’s acceptable when they do it.

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      Are you saying that europeans have a historical claim to America from BCE???

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      Different scenario because European colonizers actually had a home.

      Where the fuck are the Jews supposed to go?

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        Where the fuck are the Jews supposed to go?

        Wherever they want? There’s tons of other places for the Israelis to go make lives for themselves. Who the fuck cares if they have “a state” or not? Just go fucking live and don’t fuck shit up for yourselves or the people around you.

        Demanding a “safe space” for your particular genetic deviation in this day and age is nothing more than nationalism. The Jewish people have an established history that encompasses the entire planet. What difference does it make if they have a “state” or not? Do you think the millions of non-practicing jews around the world give a shit?

        Disclaimer: The people saying Jews shouldn’t exist are ignorant, evil assholes. Also, the jews saying they have a right to bulldoze Palestinian homes are ignorant, evil assholes.

        Fuck off with your religious/ethnic bullshit and figure out how to live alongside other fucking people.

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          So you believe in kicking 10 million people out of their homes and telling them to just figure it out?

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            Did they bulldoze a Palestinian farm to get their home?

            Did you even read anything I wrote or did you just fucking knee-jerk to shitheel zionist talking points? You sound like a shitty AI bot.

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              Funny bit about the AI bot because when I asked you about Native American reservations it’s like you didn’t have an answer bc no one programmed you with that response yet.

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          Demanding a “safe space” for your particular genetic deviation in this day and age is nothing more than nationalism.

          Do you feel the same way about Native American reservations?

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                  Sealioning is when you relentlessly ask for evidence, even when you know you’re going to ignore it.

                  I’m asking for his opinion, which I suspect he won’t give because he knows it’s going to make him look some kind of way.

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                  People say that sometimes, but I think it’s a good question. What would be your answer?

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        The allies should have given them land in europe or america instead they did imperialism and now we are here.

        So honestly probably anywhere else

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          Should have, would have, could have.

          Who the fuck care, where are the Jews supposed to go right now?

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              You both are getting tangled up in victim vs. offender. The reality is that even if there was a place for one of the groups to go and live in peace, both sides would still fight tooth and nail about who is allowed to stay. Jerusalem is sky-daddy’s resort and both want to possess it.

              Reconciliation before secularism is impossible.

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              It sure is easy to care about decisions someone made 80 years ago instead of dealing with the real life problems of present day.

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        Idk maybe they should have not done the exact same terrible things hamas is now doing. I think hamas is wrong and evil, but they didnt cast the first stone.

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          That’s such shortsighted opinion that if all humanity followed it there would be not a piece of the Earth left to live on. People don’t automatically turn terrorist and torture civilians even if they go to war. But in this case they choose to and do cause increased suffering to others beyond whats necessary to win the fight because they enjoy when they can cause others to suffer. It’s sick and deviant. No excuse.

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        If they were more civilized (e.g. not rapping and torturing civilians) maybe there would be dozen of countries and organizations helping them with necessities and asylum but who in their healthy mind would go there to be humanitarian risking to be tortured, raped and made their body paraded through their streets?

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          I hear they’ve stopped doing rapping, and not just because rap music isn’t as popular there.

          When the wars are over, people in all other conflicts have generally gone home. Sierra Leone, Rwanda, america, Ukraine before, maybe Ukraine again soon, Poland, France, Belgium, Egypt, and Germany. When the war is over, people return home and begin rebuilding.

          If the followers of judaism want to go home, I’m sure they’d be welcomed home and allowed to re/immigrate quickly and easily to the nations their parents fled from. Most could claim full citizenship quickly due to their parents’ citizen status or the parents of their parents.

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            I don’t think any Jewish person willing to live peacefully should be made to leave Palestine (if it ever gets “liberated”). They also built a home and became part of the area, many without any fault of their own. Imagine just being born there into this mess. This has been going on for 75 years, people have lived and died already. It would be wrong again to de-home people. This has been the issue from the start. There is enough infrastructure in current-day Israel to be enough for everyone to live and prosper with dignity.

            There has to be a solution that works for everyone, with the smallest number of casualties. It might take decades, but what’s another couple of decades compared to 75 years of Israeli oppression?

            That being said, settlers should give the homes they stole back immediately.