In politics most people just critizise each other, but what did your local government actually do a good job on?
The US was able to make smoking cigarettes seem uncool. Compared to a lot of other parts of the world, they seem to have made real progress in cutting tobacco use.
This chart of the rise and fall of cigarette smoking is kind of interesting.
The chart begins in 1900. What happened just before then, to kick off the rise of cigarette smoking? The invention of the rolling machine, in 1880. Machine-rolled cigarettes made tobacco use much more convenient: you didn’t have to roll your own, fuss with a pipe, or deal with the mess of chewing tobacco or snuff. When you make consuming a product easier, people consume more.
The fastest increases in cigarette smoking were during WWI and WWII. What happened then? The US military issued cigarettes in rations. Why did they do that? For the same reason the German army issued amphetamines. Nicotine is a stimulant drug; it helps soldiers stay awake on watch and have more energy to fight.
Here’s another chart. This one is cancer death rates. Lung cancer deaths track smoking rates, but delayed by 20 years – the time the cancer takes to develop and spread in the body.
Smoking peaked and began to decline in the 1960s, before the adoption of anti-smoking laws; even before the 1970 ban on smoking ads on television. One possible conclusion is that the legislative changes were not the cause of the smoking decline, but rather part of a broader cultural response to the devastation of American elders by the cancerous effects of smoking.
A friend of mine recently got back from Europe and was talking about how every restaurant had tons of people smoking in it. It’s so foreign to me. I remember in the '90s you’d be asked “smoking or non” when going to restaurants. Now there just isn’t smoking on restaurants. Even in bars where it is allowed it is pretty minor. Smoking really got cut back a lot.
A major caveat is that vaping is a big problem now. I believe it is marginally (or maybe even substantially) safer than traditional smoking but it’s still just peddling a nicotine addiction to youngsters.
A major caveat is that vaping is a big problem now. I believe it is marginally (or maybe even substantially) safer than traditional smoking but it’s still just peddling a nicotine addiction to youngsters.
Vaping nicotine is probably about as harmful to health as chewing nicotine gum; and vastly less harmful than smoking.
It is certainly a way to take an addictive drug. It is also an extremely convenient one, which makes it more likely that people will use it more heavily. (See also the rise in the popularity of cigarette smoking after the invention of the rolling machine: convenience leads to more consumption.)
However, most of the direct health harms of smoking aren’t from the nicotine; they’re from everything else that comes with it –
- solid smoke particulates
- unburned and partly-burned resins (“tar”)
- carbon monoxide
None of these are in the vapor produced by e-cigarettes.
Inhaling smoke is bad for lungs; no matter whether that smoke is from tobacco, another herb, a forest fire, unsafe industrial equipment, a coal-fired power plant, or a fireplace.
Nicotine itself is not carcinogenic, although it does constrict the lung passages which makes it harder for the lung to clean itself. Chronic use of nicotine vapes may be expected to cause some amount of emphysema due to this chronic constriction. But it’s not gonna cause the massive amount of lung cancer that smoking does, because it just doesn’t contain the high concentrations of carcinogens that cigarette smoke contains.
(I do not use nicotine at all, however I greatly prefer to be around people vaping than around people smoking.)
To be clear, the nicotine part I was talking about is that it is still dirty to get young people addicted to a “drug” (as in an addictive drug).
Oh sure. If an addictive drug isn’t also especially harmful to health, it might make sense to treat it more like coffee than like cigarettes. I don’t think very many people consider the popularity of coffee and tea to be “a big problem”, and so it’s not clear to me that vaping should be considered one either.
You make a good point and every talk about drugs and addictions always comes back to alcohol and caffeine. I’d have to look more into it but yeah I think nicotine is mostly like caffeine. I think there are (or were) some gross practices about making it appealing to kids but yeah it’s true, Starbucks is appealing to kids too. It feels different. I can’t really explain why it does but it does. But yeah, I’ll ponder on this. Regardless, I definitely don’t see vaping nearly as bad as tobacco. Orders of magnitude less serious of a problem.
They are a step behind. All tobacco execs moved on to making food flavour addictive.
I live in WA state. the state and county response to covid seemed very informed and measured; they based policy on WHO and CDC recommendations, tried to ramp up and ramp down to make it easier, and were transparent with the numbers they were looking at.
We still saw our medical facilities struggling, especially as one of our neighbor states was not particularly great at covid prevention. so when their situation was bad, a lot of them came over here.
when Roe was overturned and abortion bans started going into place, our leaders realized our neighbor was going to once again flood our medical system. so they started stockpiling abortion drugs and doing what they could to increase support.
they’re also trying to increase public transit, which I appreciate. it’s plagued by corruption and delays, but they are slowly making progress.
WA has a lot going for it in terms of governance. It’s also pretty nice that we get to vote by mail.
WHat’s WA? I only know it as “WhatsApp” haha
Washington State, USA
Compared to a lot of politics around the world, our local provincial government (BC Canada) is relatively… boring, and I love that so much!
There will always be issues, but for day to day things, the major parties are just doing their jobs. It’s boring, and the politics is in good faith for the most part. The focus is on issues and the best way to implement some change, rather than populism.
There are other great things the government has done, but this is what comes to mind first
This actually is a great thing. I hate that politics is so much about screaming at the voters that party X sucks so much. Just do your fucking job.
Federal government (Australia) recently extended our pharmaceutical benefits scheme so that we can get double the amount of medicine for the same price. State government (Queensland) did a huge cost of living rebate for energy bills which has been super helpful.
NY legalized weed the right way.
other than that, not much.
What’s the wrong way?
Bans or heavy restrictions on growing, lack of state protection against work discrimination (cannabis use is now protected class in ny), canna related criminal record expungement, to name a few.
Quit.
The government here (Netherlands) failed to make any long term decisions. They didn’t even make bad decisions, just none what so ever. After the government fell, all major political figures in the main parties just quit. Time for new blood and for the youngest generations to start making decisions. The oldies won’t survive long enough to have to worry about the mess the world is in and the mess will only get worse.
No clue if elections will result in something better, but it’ll be interesting to see which direction the voters will be going. I’t finally worth it to vote for the youngest eligible voters.
They literally got bored and moved onto different games.
In Britain we prescribed addicts heroin and had around 1,000 users, since we’ve pushed them from the prescription pad to the black market, we’ve over 300,000 problematic users, stealing from shops, selling their bodies in a desperate attempt to fund their criminal addiction and often seen clutching strong cans of lager in a desperate attempt to fight off withdrawals.
We used to be champions of this problem. Now it costs us 21 billion a year.
The solution to heroin addicts is not giving them free heroin. Sure it reduces some of the negative externalities temporarily but only because you are subsidizing their addiction. Drug addiction is a permanent drain on resources until you quit. making someone else pay for it is not a solution
Permanently. And “quit” seems like too light a word for the herculean task of getting clean. They deserve all the help we can give. That it essentially removes all the negative externalities should make this a no-brainer.
giving drugs to a drug addict is not helping them, sorry. and giving them money doesn’t remove all negative externalities, that is a ridiculous statement. It just makes them less desperate for cash, they are still in a full blown addiction being controlled by the drugs.
Exactly. They’re addicted. They’re going to get the drugs one way or another. May as well minimize the harm.
Why don’t you give them your money? Go minimize harm in your local community.
Addicts quit because they hit rock bottom. They get to a point where they cannot sustain their lifestyle. You will be preventing them from ever getting to that point and they will be able to sustain their addiction indefinitely. Until the money runs out and they are more addicted than when they started. Free money never lasts forever.
Do you have a source for that?
I fucking hate when nerds request a source for something that is clearly an opinion or common sense. What are you disputing?
I’d like to point out that it costs a society much less to supply one with heroin than it does to deal with all the thefts and crime that comes with the user having to fund an illegal black market, not to mention all the stabbings over drug territory.
We need to grow some balls and be adult about this situation, what we’re doing hasn’t worked for the last 50 years.
Misuse of Drugs act has been in place what 50 years now? Consumption rates have increased and so have people getting contaminated drugs/deaths.
Source you may ask? Oh… only the National Crime Agency on gov.uk
https://nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/nsa-drugs
And we may be nerds but if that means I know what I’m talking about then fuck yeah, beats staying in ones box and regurgitating the statue-quo. - When frontline police say we’re making the problem worse one has to start asking questions.
Perhaps it would be better if you didn’t spoke about things you understand shit about
Good comment bro. Bet you felt smart writing that. Go give all your money to drug addicts bro its what the science says is best
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Maybe on Cloud 9… You set up services like the above source that people can access. It’s Canada and works quite well.
Give your money directly to addicts 😂 I dunno where you heard that one mate but science definitely doesn’t say you should do that 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I think mandatory care is the way to go, if the government knows that you have an addiction it seems silly to do anything but make sure you have the tools to quit and have no option but to quit. People will do whatever is convenient, path of least resistance and all, there’s just no incentive for an addict to report themselves if they’re gonna be thrown in prison for it.
Mandatory care has the same incentive against self reporting though?
Do we have any data on relapse rates from this vs non-mandatory methods? My guess would be high recidivism if the person is released back into the exact same circumstances in which they started using in the first place.
Your logic is so flawed. They’re bad for doing drugs… and the drugs have a really bad effect on people.
Shouldn’t that be punishment enough in itself? Instead of throwing criminal records at people which makes it MUCH harder to get back on the right path.
Wanna bank account? Oop you’ve got a criminal record sorry. Car insurance? Sorry criminal record, much more expensive now. You wanna job! Criminal record? Oooo I dunno…
We make the problem worse dude…
Throwing someone in jail for drug consumption is akin to calling the police as your mates just broke his leg….
They need help not a damn jail cell, which may I point out… we can’t control drugs in our maximum security prisons either so to think we can control them in a “free society” without taking ownership of supply is borderline delusional.
You should see the resources we spend on enforcing the Misuse of Drugs act / Drug War! It’s an insane waste of money and resources. Police themselves say they find someone with a joint, have to spend half an hour on an archaic computer system to process them and It wastes a lot of police time and money where they could otherwise be putting their time and resources towards real issues. (A Special Constable said this on question time, and pointed out the associated stabbings in London are mostly over drug territory).
We’ve gifted organised crime a billion pound market since our gov bowed down to the United States aggressive foreign policy to enforce the Misuse of Drugs Act in our near past.
German here and it’s been a while.
My parents came back from a vacation in austria recently and told me about what they heard on the radio: The austrian government did two separate things that actually benefit citizens in one day.
They didn’t remember something like this happening in germany in the last 20 or so years and neither do I.
German too. I think the government handled that whole covid and Ukraine stuff relatively well. They managed to keep the amount of death very low compared to other countries, while only doing soft lock downs that were no where near what countries like Italy had to do.
Ukraine has nothing to do with our daily life’s, but they gave and still give a lot more support that other countries do (except USA).
The 9€ and now 49€ ticket were pretty great decisions.
Healthcare (Indonesia). It’s been much better for the past decade. The state owned hospitals has been improved as well.
awkwardly sighs in 'murica
https://www.nps.gov/aboutus/recent-changes.htm
We’re still making new national parks. There have been dozens of new parks and historical monuments established this century.
I’m no patriot and am even planning on moving across the Atlantic as soon as it’s practical, but I will show nothing but praise for our national park system. To have a country as exploitive as America see great, resource rich prime estate and say “do nothing with it” is incredible, and the parks themselves are beautiful. So much needs work here, but our parks are worth preserving.
Hey man, NASA, a government agency has done a ton of cool stuff recently. Rovers and a helicopter on Mars, JWST, asteroid sample return, fostering the commercialization of flights to the ISS have dramatically reduced the cost of getting our astronauts to orbit. We do space exploration pretty darn well.
Yeah. When NASA doesn’t let itself become too bureaucratic, they do some damn good science.
There is a former president facing charges in four states. I’m counting that as a plus.
Let me out of jail
New Zealand - communicate about the COVID response. Whatever your opinions on the actual response (they did the right thing imho), the way they communicated what they were doing and why was phenomenal.
Which kinda puts into contrast how badly they’ve fucked up the comms on just about every other important bit of policy
It almost broke the IMF!
UK. Changing the agriculture subsidies from production and harmful farming practices to public good.
Yet to be implemented though
Me and a friend were talking about how, historically, the indigenous people here were superb doctors, which was a necessity because of intense feudalism otherwise killing everyone off. They not only knew how surgery worked but practiced a higher level of hygiene than everyone else. It wasn’t like modern stuff with machines or anything, but everything was proto-scientific and non-superstitious and you would’ve thought Hippocrates tutored the masses here.
Then the place got conquered and the doctors here just got terrible because society introduced its current capitalist medical system post-conquest. It’s been like that for centuries now. Doctors regularly downplay things, pass patients around, fight with each other, overmedicate, misdiagnose, and so on. They say that, when you move between countries, your mental illness diagnosis list changes because different countries have different definitions of mental illness, but here you can accomplish that effect just by crossing the street.
How does this answer the question?
The question asked what our governments did better in the past. This is one thing the indigenous stage of the local government did superbly that “better” successor stages of the nation happened to screw up.
Near past? They’re talking about 100s of years ago?
So am I.
I wouldn’t describe it as government. Maybe specialisation of skills?
The skills dropped as a direct result of how new management of the territory decided was best to handle things.
Where is “here”?
The indigenous people in question were the Iroquois. Eastern North America.
seems like rose tinted glasses. lots of things are much better executed when its on a small scale.
Yeah, but the skills were culturally ingrained. In a loose sense they were a part of the identity or association of the territory.
