As white supremacists from as far as Canada revel in intimidating Sunshine State residents, critics blast DeSantis for his silence
Please stop trying to rationalize with them. Please stop tolerating their hate. These people don’t care about logic or morality. The guy in the photo at the Nazi rally with the tatted face and meth teeth blames his problems on Jews. They only understand power. That’s all they know. That’s the only way they’ll be stopped.
With that said, can some of y’all come down here to Florida? We’ve got a Nazi problem that’s getting out of control and can use some support. They’ve been here this whole time in hiding, but since the government has recently been tolerant of their intolerance, they’re coming out in pride. They’re cowards that blame their own issues on vulnerable people. They don’t blame their problems on dominant peoples or cultures in power, just the minorities. So, with enough show of strength, they’ll go back into hiding or move away to Argentina.
Look at their little insurrection attempt. One Capitol officer misled them due to their lack of organization, and another officer fired one round. All it took was a distraction to jack up their plans and one shot for them to tuck tail and run. A coup failed due to a deception and one bullet.
Imagine if the real Nazis would have been stopped before they built their war machine. That’s where we’re at right now. Things can get soooo much worse if we allow them time to gain more power.
With that said, can some of y’all come down here to Florida? We’ve got a Nazi problem that’s getting out of control and can use some support.
I don’t mean to be negative but what can other people do? I feel like it’ll be difficult to motivate the average non-racist to move to a place where they might have worse job prospects, get ostracized for their political/social views, and get both harassed and potentially arrested/killed by the police for trying to protest against racism.
For real Florida already sucks even without Nazis or DeTaintis. Hell no I will not move there.
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What’s the implication here? Mass-shooting of right-wing extremists that martyr them and give fuel to further restrict and punish sane people?
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Talk is cheap. The real-world implications of mass-murder are not as easy as one would like to imagine.
What do you think is more likely, that the powers that be go “Oh, they were nazis, that’s fine then” or “Look, the left are the violent ones, we need to take away the rights of anyone who associates with them!”?
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The world used to be a chaotic hellhole for all of humans existence minus the last few decades.
This is a somewhat disingenuous take on history as a whole. History is a lot less chaotic than one might expect. A lot of the common conception is a little like how the news focuses on crimes and violence. Like people honestly don’t realize how much the average European peasantry of the 1200’s could actually read or write… Not because they were spending their time penning novels but because of how litigious they were. Cities often created weird exceptions but even in the height of people being executed for minor crimes that violence was more or less concentrated to major cities particularly population centers that hosted the ruling class and those laws were mostly enforced on their dime because of a desire for orderliness in their own backyard.
While there are some advancements in development of ethical principles of law, rights of people to be recognized by the ruling elite, lots of healthcare and quality of life advancements particularly in food supply and sanitation … But as far as your average human goes adjusted for Governmental sanctioned violence and suppression of women we are about as individually as violent as we ever were. Some of the medieval violence even seems weirdly quaint by comparison. Particularly some of the anecdotes from the more successful uprisings of the peasant classes from way back. The Victorians were actually quite successful in red washing a lot of history to make it seem much more brutal and horrible than it was… While ignoring their own fairly callous expansions of empire.
Applying this desire to kill or be killed as a inviolable part of human nature isn’t supportable. In general the majority of people will put up with quite a lot trying to remain safe and non-violent until it becomes clear that things are getting worse beyond fixing and they reach a more universal concensus that they have a potential future beyond a period of violence.
Basically the sanction of violence being the domain of government agents only is your main hurdle. You’d be much more likely to find support in fining their asses into oblivion so they have no free time to march.
While I would otherwise probably reiterate that it’s pretty easy to type in words on a keyboard compared to actually having to go through with actual actions, I see the real world and how it functions might not be interesting enough for you so I’ll pass. Have a nice day.
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Hitler failed his coup attempt too. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/beer-hall-putsch-munich-putsch Scary similarities.
The new Hitler is among them, and we should stop him before it’s too late
Sorry to say but I’ve made it clear to even my employer that Florida is a no go for me. To the point where I will seek out flights that do not have layovers there if it comes to that. Being trans and having the use of bathrooms outlawed forces my hand. A ton of industry conferences are leaving the state as soon as their contracts are up.
I used to love Florida, but it’s doomed. Between climate change and fascism we just need to write off the state entirely and build a wall along the Georgia border. Best we can do is try to control the insanity and let those who have decided to stay down there burn themselves out. Better for you to get out than for us to come down.
build a wall along the Georgia border.
Is it your opinion that Georgia is less racist than Florida?
The general populace? No. The state government? Yes.
Still a very bold claim. Voter disenfranchisement along racial lines is huge on GA, and that’s the tip of the iceberg.
Apparently the nazi party doesn’t provide dental care.
Didn’t you hear? The master race has such powerful gums they don’t need teeth.
Lotta meth in the Nazi party, looks like a bit of meth mouth and a side of tobacco dipping to me.
That dude is so white power, he tattooed himself almost completely black lmao
He just wanted to make sure people knew he was a bigoted dumbass from a distance.
From a distance you think is the bigoted dumbass seriously walking around in blackface? If you’re unfortunate enough to get closer the context changes but the message remains the same, bigoted dumbass.
I live in Portland. That shit ain’t fun. This place was and remains a magnet for chud mouthbreathers to try to start shit
People are always like ANtiFa and NaZis are the SaMe! Violence solves nothing!
Guess what got those assholes to stop coming into my city en masse to menace residents? Getting confronted and not being allowed to run roughshod all over the place. People fought them and doxxed those fuckers to their employers and families. There hasn’t been a notable right wing rally here in at least 2 years.
Nazis and their ilk are by nature cowards. Thinking it’ll blow over if you ignore them does not work and emboldens them
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I firmly believe that watching you guys fight them off so successfully is what got the leftists around me to actually go and get armed. Took them long enough, but I’m finally seeing a lot more leftist rifle association branches.
We need to get back into the habit of beating the shit out of Nazis
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Being a Nazi is not an opinion. It’s choosing an ideology of violence. It’s fundamentally an intentional violent act. Being a member should make you an accessory to a hate crime, and be investigated for criminal conspiracy if they come within a mile of a weapon.
It is an opinion it just is a vile one.
Good thing for him there aren’t any Jewish voters in Florida 🤣
In Nazi Germany, the guy in the picture would have been put in a camp before he could even raise his arm.
Who would win Old Nazis vs Neo Nazis?
Given equal numbers and technological prerequisites I would believe that old Nazis were more dangerous. Neo Nazis are just brutal lowlifes who usually turn to a hateful ideology in order to create the illusion of being basically valuable and good but held back or even oppressed by [INSERT MINORTITY]. Old Nazis were so invested in their collective psychopathic worldview that they could regard the extermination of others as something that may be pleasant or very hard or even sad but in any way just neccessary, so it had to be done.
Because of his teeth?
Among other things. I doubt that there would have been any tolerance for his teeth or his tattoos. Also, he would not have been able to convince anyone that he belongs to the same race. He would have been exterminated along with the people he detests.
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Do you genuinely have trouble wrapping your head around this?
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So whats the reason they aren’t immediately put in handcuffs? This shit wouldn’t fly in Germany
One of the reasons I love that I’m in Germany rn. You don’t get people casually joking about Nazis then laughing it off like it’s nothing. It is literally against the law, and people treat that topic with actual respect.
Except… you do, and it’s apparently gotten very bad in places. Florida level bad.
Jesus fucking Christ. I’d say that’s worse than Florida in some ways. There was an incident where 50 teenagers went looking for black people to kill!? That’s straight up klan behavior! What the actual fuck!?
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Hey I think your keyboard might be broken.
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That’s right, it depends on the place. Very much boils down to rural vs. urban (as in so many countries) but it’s also a bit worse in Eastern Germany.
However the comment above is not wrong, in that there are definitive limits to free speech in German law so that you have more legal levers against nazis before they turn to violence.
we have this thing called freedom of speech that allows them to do a lot of the things they do
It’s more that the US is all about personal liberty and personal freedoms. Other places that you’re referring to have a charter of rights, which still allow for personal freedoms but are also constructed to protect minorities or at risk groups, like Jewish people.
That said the Bill of Rights that the Americans produced was first of it’s kind and amazing. Personally I just don’t think they got it quite right and charter of rights take into account the personal liberties of all people and not just the dominant majority.
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This has nothing to do with freedom of speech american
Freedom of speech. Everyone is able to be heard, even if their opinions are distasteful. It’s what the US was built on and why people can fly swastikas and wear klan hoods without being arrested.
They can only be arrested if they commit a crime, not because their views are horrible. You can walk down the street yelling racial slurs at everyone and that’s perfectly legal as long as you aren’t being violent or inciting others to violence.
That doesn’t mean society has to tolerate them - counter-protesting is alive and well, and Nazis have been fired from their jobs for their views. But the government can’t arrest them simply for being Nazis.
I mean, we also have freedom of speech here in Germany. There are (harsh) limitations around hate speech and insults but besides that you can say what you want.
What’s also a definite no are nazi symbols. Swastikas, SS runes, nazi salutes, etc. are only ever allowed in the context of education and art (like period films and as of fairly recently, games).
We also still do have regular day to day nazis in Germany and sadly the far right party AfD has been growing in numbers over the last few years, taking a lot of inspiration from US republicans in their talking points and rhetoric. Since July they are in a county government for the first time, having only ever been an opposition party until then.
Germany wasn’t built on the principles of freedom (of speech) but that human dignity is inviolable. That’s Art. 1 of our constitution. Only Art. 2 then defines personal freedom.
Yelling slurs at people should be conaidered as psychological violence.
I mean, that’s why a lot of counties have hate speech laws.
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I mean that’s a nice fantasy you have there but in America that’s just not how it works
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Is “Jews get the rope” an incitement to violence? Because these recent rallies seem to be hitting very close to what are the commonly-accepted limits on free speech in America.
Is “eat the rich” or a guillotine reference a call for violence?
You’re legally allowed to say awful shit, you just can’t act on it, or have a reasonable suspiscion that you may imminently act on it.
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History needs to repeat itself.
Unfortunately, it’s limited to “direct, imminent threats of violence”. What we’d consider stochastic terrorism currently skirts by under American law. I wish it were different, but it is not.
Just the Disney pullout of their Orlando corporate campus has lost the state a billion in taxable spending. Add to that the cancellation of multiple large conventions and the elimination of consideration for future conventions. Thousands of other businesses, organizations and tourists are cancelling trips and avoiding Florida and this is going to add up to an enormous sum that the state will never recover.
Lots of conservatives may be fascists, but I’d be willing to bet their attachment to their own economic comfort is stronger than their ideology. IMO Florida’s had enough of DeSantis and he is going to soon join Scott Walker in political oblivion.
Also, the military will likely remove bases there and will not expand existing ones or build new ones. They’re doing so much damage to the state, yet the voters can’t see it somehow.
Voters are schmucks unfortunately and a sizable portion won’t be alive to see the consequences.
Insurance companies pulling out too.
Are these american nazis aware their grandads killed nazis? I’ve always found it bizarre they fell down that rabbit hole.
There was a Nazi party here in the US and a lot of people admired Hitler when he was rebuilding Germany. There were even some members of the press that expressed admiration when they covered the reforms he did.
Privilege can let you get away with a lot of things. There were concentration camps for Japanese-American citizens but none for German or Italian. For the Italians they were asked to persuade their extended families in Italy to stop fighting against us. I’m not sure what was asked for the Germans. My source is from documentaries I’ve seen (I really like this one).
There was widespread racism directed at Italian Americans that ran for decades. My grandmother’s mortgage from 1955 had language referring to Italian America quotas that needed to be referenced so they were not exceeded. That meant the town had to sign off on Italian Americans buying the home.
German is the most common ancestry in America which is likely why we did nothing about German Americans.
My dude, there were anti German riots in the Midwest during the 19th century.
The xenophobia has always been focused on the latest group to migrate.
Yes but by the 20th century that had changed which is why German camps weren’t a thing.
In the Italians case they weren’t the last but they were the last group of “white” people. White on white racism gets weird.
From what I learned talking to many WWII vets of German descent, they pretty much all said, “welp our cousins are starting shit again, time to go give them a spanking,” and signed up for service in droves even before Pearl Harbor. Lots of Teddy R. fans in that group.
I think someone should really study what’s going on, or we’ll never get out of this cycle.
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People have studied the Holocaust and the Nazi rise to power in great detail.
The problem is the media diet of these bigots doesn’t include the typical educational information someone like me got growing up.
This is the results Sinclair media and Fox News.
Becomes? lol
The guy in the picture definitely wouldn’t be among the first to be killed by the original Nazi Party. Absolute master race material right there.
Imagine being so ignorant that you allow yourself to be a bought-and-paid-for zombie foot-soldier of one of the most ineffective politicians to ever embarrass himself into hopeful irrelevance.
Whenever I get down about how my life is going- it always helps to know that I’m not one of these dipshits.
$20 says they have their nose up Putins cockhole as well, they have a thing for failed leaders
Nice face tattoos, those really say “I’m an intelligent, educated and reasonable person and totally not riddled with mental health issues”
I don’t think you need to veer into shitting on people who like or have body modifications. This dude’s a fucking Nazi because he wants to be, not because he has a face tattoo.
Interesting point, I guess?
I’m sorry, it may be judgmental, but if I see somebody with face tattoos, it doesn’t say “high intellectual level” to me, especially at the level of this guy. I’m seriously wondering here what face tattoo would say “I’m intelligent”, which one would say “I’m highly educated”, which would say “I’m a reasonable person” and which one would say “I’m not riddled with mental health issues”…
For the first two: I’m sorry. Do with your body what you wish, put a ring through your ass if you like (that must be fun on the toilet!) I don’t care. But in current society, your face is your calling card. If you have purple hair with 2 nose rings and a bunch of tattoos, don’t complain if you’re not hired to be the face of any organization whatsoever. If you put a tattoo on your face, of all places, you simply make your life a lot harder in practice. How many intellectuals do you know that look like our buddy on the OP article? I don’t know any.
For the third one: I guess there are Buddhist monks that have facial tattoos? I honestly wouldn’t know, but I’m betting good money that they still don’t look like our slightly mentally deficient buddy upstairs
For the fourth: Yeeaaaahhh… Unfortunately, people with mental health issues don’t always take the best decisions for themselves. Consequently, a lot of them are homeless (not judging at all here, they need help) a lot of them are addicts (again, not judging, it is what it is) and a lot of them get things like very highly visible body modifications.
In case of our little asshole up there in the article: Dude, don’t tell me that you think that this guy has even a basic education (he likely doesn’t), let alone is an intellectual, that you think he’s intelligent (oh boy, oh boy, is he not), that you think he’s reasonable (Yeaaaahhh, press X to doubt) or that you think he isn’t riddled with mental health issues (I’m betting good money that he has a list of issues that require professional health to fix)
I’m sorry, I may be judgemental but if you look like that, you have problems.
Both the way you look and the decision to modify any part of your body has no bearing whatsoever on your level of intelligence. Full stop. It’s incredibly irrational to believe so. Just because within your social circle of operation face tattoos are prejudiced against does not mean that you need to continue to perpetuate that bigotry and ignorance.
Being judgemental aides no one. Given enough scrutiny anyone can appear abnormal or ‘incorrect’ according to societal norms and thus can be unjustly ostracized if people continue to think as you do.
Just yesterday I saw this girl waitress with “die4u” tattood on her throat of all places.
I’m sorry, but that does not advertise intelligence or mental stability to me
Dude looks like the main villain in Days Gone, the one who lost his mind and tattooed himself with cutting torches.
Behold the master race, its comforting knowing every time he sees his reflection all he sees is this hideous mess. it’s like looking at a desk in detention, fascist scum
Hitler had a dim view of Anglos and Americans in general. He would have given these Neo Nazis a one way train ticket to the concentration camps.
America was a huge inspiration for Hitler.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-nazis/540630/
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler
It goes without saying that fascists in general are the scum of the earth but… Hitler revered the English in particular. He was devastated that they entered the war opposing him for this reason. The British empire was, in his view, a thing to be admired.
I mean, they did colonize the non-white world like nobody’s business
