Materialism>idealism

I’m not trying to get into a whole debate, it’s just interesting to me the way some people cling to these idealist philosophers. Same w the stoics imo. As a guy who used to read all of them… they’re useless to actually understanding life. Like it can be helpful to read them in order to understand how the Western worldview evolved, but they really shouldn’t be taken as some sort of handbook - which many seem to do. (reactionaries). People who read Nietzsche or Plato and think they have some sort of secret insight is my biggest red flag irt pseudo-intellectual who is just going to waste your time… same with Dostoevsky btw.

Confucius is based af though.

Edit: Also, yes these kinds of people exist- my former mentor/boss who spent decades at a white shoe DC law firm would accept any idea if you found a quote by Plato to justify it lmao.

    • Muad'Dibber@lemmygrad.ml
      31·
      2 years ago

      I don’t think you read the right link, that’s a compilation of Nietzche’s own quotes, not a full analysis.

        • Muad'Dibber@lemmygrad.ml
          61·
          2 years ago

          Yup I don’t get it. Nietzche says shit like “only men of intellect should hold property”, “all women do is lie, and their only role should be to sexually please warriors”, “socialism is for the weak and inequality is great”, and “blond beasts of prey need to hellenize the world”… and ppl act like he’s some profound thinker and not some incel from the 1800s.

          • SpaceCowboy@lemmygrad.mlOP
            51·
            2 years ago

            Oh but you’re taking him out of context bruh.

            I apologize for being so discourteous in this thread but this is really riling me up because it is so blatantly a repeat of the Foucault-era tactics in obscuring actual discussion about the power of ideas and thinkers like Nietzsche

        • Muad'Dibber@lemmygrad.ml
          71·
          2 years ago

          This is a historically standard reactionary trend, to say extremely heinous shit, then their defenders say “context!!!”. You even see it a lot today with ppl like vaush, jordan peterson, ben shapiro, etc.

        • SpaceCowboy@lemmygrad.mlOP
          41·
          2 years ago

          stupid lmao.

          You read a whole book and certain lines jump out at you. You share the quotes which encapsulate the authors perspective. If you shut off the ability to share quotes then you shut off the ability to critique.