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Are we having a theory of mind moment here? People that bring excess personal belongings get an ATA Carnet. How is a custom’s person supposed to know that he doesn’t intend to sell this equipment. Do you think that people smuggling electronics haven’t played the “oh you don’t understand it cost 40 bucks at this pawn shop here is a photo of the receipt on my phone”. The only think that was a possible shakedown was the estimated price of the imported goods. Every country does that too. Try getting something from aliexpress and the seller classifies it under a non fee’d category to dodge import cost. If a random inspection catches it you will get taxed out the ass.
Nothing annoys me more than mfers who are confident yet don’t know shit or bother to do the research, first of all if he had excess personal belongings they wouldn’t have bothered accusing him of trying to sell his stuff and again the fact they quoted their own price without any confirmation is proof of intent to exhort
If you are visiting Mexico, you may bring the following tax-exempt items, whether new or second hand
Baby gear, such as strollers, car seats, cribs, walkers and their accessories.
Two cameras or camcorders and camera gear; three cellphones or other wireless devices; one GPS; one electronic organizer; one laptop, notebook, omnibook or other portable computing device; one portable copier or printer; one CD burner and one portable overhead projector and its accessories.
One tent and other camping articles.
Two sets of personal sport gear; four fishing rods; three gliders with or without sails and their accessories; trophies and awards, as long as you can carry them without any difficulty.
Two musical instruments and their accessories.
One hand tool set, including its case, a drill, pliers, wrenches, screwdrivers, power cords, etc.
One pair of binoculars and one telescope.
Five laser disks, ten DVDs, thirty CDs, three software packs and five storing units for any electronic device.
Five toys, including collectables, one videogame console and five videogames.
One blood pressure monitor and one blood glucose monitor (or one monitor for both purposes), reagents included; drugs and other psychotropic substances, including cannabis, in which case you must present the prescription, have the medical identification number or any other contact detail of your physician and exclusively bring the amount needed for your trip.
Valises, trunks, suitcases or any other item needed to carry your personal belongings.
If you are over eighteen, ten packs of cigarettes, twenty-five cigars or two hundred grams of tobacco; three litres of alcoholic beverages and six litres of wine.
Wheelchairs, walkers, canes, crutches or any other assistive device for the elderly or disabled people.
One portable audio recorder, audio player or audio recorder and player (or two digital sound and image recorders or players instead), one portable DVD player and one set of portable speakers and its accessories.
And last of all who gives a fuck if someone wants to smuggle electronics, it’s a victimless crime and shouldn’t be taxed by money-grubbing states
You can demonstrate the value of the merchandise that is part of the franchise with invoices or sales receipts. In case of not having these, the customs personnel will be able to determine the value of the merchandise
“And last of all who gives a fuck if someone wants to smuggle electronics, it’s a victimless crime and shouldn’t be taxed by money-grubbing states”. I did not state that anywhere in my previous comments. Your attention span might have led you to think that but I commented on if this really meet the definition of a shakedown. Like I said before, the possible shakedown was on the estimated amount of the electronics. Looking at prices online it seems like a possible $300 added estimate which is $57 in additional taxes.
first of all if he had excess personal belongings they wouldn’t have bothered accusing him of trying to sell his stuff
*Ok it’s clear now that you don’t have theory of mind. Try putting yourself into the shoes of a customs personnel. Someone is coming with his family for a vacation but brings in a separate case full of tech equipment. Without an ATA Carnet how is this person supposed to know that it is for personal use?
**Oh wow you thought that my aliexpress story was regarding specific taxes. It was to show you that customs people in any country can and will assign any value when they catch you lying on what is being brought in.
It is a concept that Cyborg is failing to display and at the crux of our misunderstanding. I mentioned beforehand that it is a moment, as in a lapse in the ability to see another’s perspective on the situation. In addition I made an attempt for Cyborg to see the others view. Why would I do that If I thought Cyborg was unable to have that ability. Keep trying though.
It is ableism for you to disagree with someone and immediately leap to saying the equivalent of “you are mentally ill or incapable of thought”.
What you are doing here is the equivalent of saying ret*rd, except you’re doing it in a snooty pseudo-intellectual way that makes you feel like you’re not the shitty terrible awful person that you are.
You should be stuffed into a circus cannon and launched into the sea.
You can demonstrate the value of the merchandise that is part of the franchise with invoices or sales receipts. In case of not having these, the customs personnel will be able to determine the value of the merchandise
ONLY IF the goods in question are susceptible to the import tax, in Hasans case they were not, if anyone’s ignoring anything its you: general duty 0%, tax exempt, reading comprehension is very important
Ok it’s clear now that you don’t have theory of mind
You seem to like using terms you don’t understand, yet you struggle with basic concepts like the equipment is TAX EXEMPT he didn’t have to declare them thru a Ata carnet as my links demonstrated
It was to show you that customs people in any country can and will assign any value when they catch you lying on what is being brought in
Wtf does that have to do with hasans situation, he didn’t bring in a quantity that violated the tax emeption clauses and he wasn’t lying about not selling his personnel belongings, he also wasn’t allowed to the prove the true value of the products, you like talking about “theory of mind” yet the only mind you seem to be considering is that of a corrupt customs official despite the fact they violated the tax emeption rules
ONLY IF the goods in questions are susceptible to the import tax, in Hasans they were not, if anyone’s ignoring anything its you: general duty 0% tax exempt, read comprehension is very important
THEN TRY READING YOU TWIT:
"Goods that you may bring into Mexico without paying taxes
Franchise
Depending on the means of transport you enter Mexico, foreign nationals can bring with them merchandise without paying taxes, in addition to their personal luggage. By air the franchise is up to $500 US dollars and by land is up to $300 US dollar.
The excess to which each member of the family is entitled can accumulate if they travel together in the same means of transport, except if they are a resident of the strip or border region.
You can demonstrate the value of the merchandise that is part of the franchise with invoices or sales receipts. In case of not having these, the customs personnel will be able to determine the value of the merchandise. With your franchise you cannot introduce alcoholic drinks, carved tobaccos, automotive fuel, except that which is contained in the fuel tank of your vehicle."
The monitor that he brought was more than 500 dollars and not part of what is allowed in personal luggage. He did not declare it which is what made the situation suspicious for customs. Hasan thought that he could skip the ATA Carnet by just saying that the monitors were under $500 but that clearly did not work out for him. Even on sale some of these triple monitor setups are still over $500. He even admitted to knowing the law beforehand. So why is this noteworthy in any way. A customs agent went $300 over average price so Hasan had to pay an extra $59 in tax because he couldn’t be bothered to get the ATA Carnet. BIG WOOPTY FUCKING DO.
If you exceed this exemption or if your family’s combined amount exceeds the combined exemption, but the value of the goods does not surpass three thousand dollars, there is a flat 15% rate of duties and taxes, which is applied only to the amount exceeding the exemption (individual or combined). You must fill out a payment form, which is available at the Customs counter
The monitor has it own specific tax exemption you stupid fuck, what do you think general duty 0% refers to? Franchise applies to goods intended for sale, do you not understand what the phrase “in addition to personal belongings” means? Those are covered separately by different codes, do you seriously believe every single person who enters Mexico with a laptop or computer product over 500 dollars has to pay a 57 dollar tax you dumb fuck unless they apply for a Ata document
If that was true they wouldn’t have bothering accusing him of trying sell his shit, context clues they’re kinda obvious in this case
Read the code carefully and don’t jump to assumptions
It’s clear you have not read any of what I have said. The $57 is the difference between the actual cost of the monitor and the value set by the customs agent (190-133@19% tax as Hasan stated). Also taxes are still allowed to be added to imported goods under free trade agreements. Even using the website you linked they still added a VAT tax even when the duty tax is 0%. And that’s ignoring the mandatory import tax of 19% when shipping goods valued from 117 USD to 1,000 USD (oh look at that, its the same rate that he was charged). Again all of this could have been avoided if he got an ATA Carnet which is a guarantee that the goods listed will return to the home country.
Number one the VAT doesn’t apply because the specific product is tax exempt when labeled under personnel belongings, second he didn’t import anything under a shipping code because again its personal belongings, third the 57 tax only applies if he intended to sell his stuff, which is why instead of just informing of a customs tax on personal electronics they had to accuse him of trying to sell his shit
Hence the quote of 1000 thousand dollars and not 3000 thousand which is the limit of the personal belonging tax exemption, because they knew they could only dismiss the tax exemption and get paid by labeling his stuff under a separate clause, you on the other hand are conflating all the clauses because you dont realize personal belongings and franchise are different categories with different tax duties
Your incorrect interpretation of the code doesn’t even gel with the actions of the custom officials themselves, laptops and monitors are listed in same category as phones yet they didn’t apply a fuckin vat tax to his phone or the phones of the American tourists who arrived with him, common sense and careful reading should have made this obvious to you
Personal belongings like his phone and laptop are part of his baggage which allowed by Mexico and assumed to be brought back home as personal belongings. Nowhere on the list of personal belongings is a monitor listed. You are just straight up lying now. WTF
Are we having a theory of mind moment here? People that bring excess personal belongings get an ATA Carnet. How is a custom’s person supposed to know that he doesn’t intend to sell this equipment. Do you think that people smuggling electronics haven’t played the “oh you don’t understand it cost 40 bucks at this pawn shop here is a photo of the receipt on my phone”. The only think that was a possible shakedown was the estimated price of the imported goods. Every country does that too. Try getting something from aliexpress and the seller classifies it under a non fee’d category to dodge import cost. If a random inspection catches it you will get taxed out the ass.
Also your link doesn’t work.
Nothing annoys me more than mfers who are confident yet don’t know shit or bother to do the research, first of all if he had excess personal belongings they wouldn’t have bothered accusing him of trying to sell his stuff and again the fact they quoted their own price without any confirmation is proof of intent to exhort
And last of all who gives a fuck if someone wants to smuggle electronics, it’s a victimless crime and shouldn’t be taxed by money-grubbing states
Why did you omit the most important part?
https://consulmex.sre.gob.mx/reinounido/index.php/es/contenido/79-customs-and-migration-information#5
“And last of all who gives a fuck if someone wants to smuggle electronics, it’s a victimless crime and shouldn’t be taxed by money-grubbing states”. I did not state that anywhere in my previous comments. Your attention span might have led you to think that but I commented on if this really meet the definition of a shakedown. Like I said before, the possible shakedown was on the estimated amount of the electronics. Looking at prices online it seems like a possible $300 added estimate which is $57 in additional taxes.
*Ok it’s clear now that you don’t have theory of mind. Try putting yourself into the shoes of a customs personnel. Someone is coming with his family for a vacation but brings in a separate case full of tech equipment. Without an ATA Carnet how is this person supposed to know that it is for personal use?
**Oh wow you thought that my aliexpress story was regarding specific taxes. It was to show you that customs people in any country can and will assign any value when they catch you lying on what is being brought in.
You’re using this as a substitute for saying ableist slurs and I wish you a happy fuck you and please get hit by a bus.
It is a concept that Cyborg is failing to display and at the crux of our misunderstanding. I mentioned beforehand that it is a moment, as in a lapse in the ability to see another’s perspective on the situation. In addition I made an attempt for Cyborg to see the others view. Why would I do that If I thought Cyborg was unable to have that ability. Keep trying though.
It is ableism for you to disagree with someone and immediately leap to saying the equivalent of “you are mentally ill or incapable of thought”.
What you are doing here is the equivalent of saying ret*rd, except you’re doing it in a snooty pseudo-intellectual way that makes you feel like you’re not the shitty terrible awful person that you are.
You should be stuffed into a circus cannon and launched into the sea.
See my edits
ONLY IF the goods in question are susceptible to the import tax, in Hasans case they were not, if anyone’s ignoring anything its you: general duty 0%, tax exempt, reading comprehension is very important
You seem to like using terms you don’t understand, yet you struggle with basic concepts like the equipment is TAX EXEMPT he didn’t have to declare them thru a Ata carnet as my links demonstrated
Wtf does that have to do with hasans situation, he didn’t bring in a quantity that violated the tax emeption clauses and he wasn’t lying about not selling his personnel belongings, he also wasn’t allowed to the prove the true value of the products, you like talking about “theory of mind” yet the only mind you seem to be considering is that of a corrupt customs official despite the fact they violated the tax emeption rules
THEN TRY READING YOU TWIT:
"Goods that you may bring into Mexico without paying taxes
Franchise
Depending on the means of transport you enter Mexico, foreign nationals can bring with them merchandise without paying taxes, in addition to their personal luggage. By air the franchise is up to $500 US dollars and by land is up to $300 US dollar.
The excess to which each member of the family is entitled can accumulate if they travel together in the same means of transport, except if they are a resident of the strip or border region.
You can demonstrate the value of the merchandise that is part of the franchise with invoices or sales receipts. In case of not having these, the customs personnel will be able to determine the value of the merchandise. With your franchise you cannot introduce alcoholic drinks, carved tobaccos, automotive fuel, except that which is contained in the fuel tank of your vehicle."
https://consulmex.sre.gob.mx/reinounido/index.php/es/contenido/79-customs-and-migration-information#5
The monitor that he brought was more than 500 dollars and not part of what is allowed in personal luggage. He did not declare it which is what made the situation suspicious for customs. Hasan thought that he could skip the ATA Carnet by just saying that the monitors were under $500 but that clearly did not work out for him. Even on sale some of these triple monitor setups are still over $500. He even admitted to knowing the law beforehand. So why is this noteworthy in any way. A customs agent went $300 over average price so Hasan had to pay an extra $59 in tax because he couldn’t be bothered to get the ATA Carnet. BIG WOOPTY FUCKING DO.
The monitor has it own specific tax exemption you stupid fuck, what do you think general duty 0% refers to? Franchise applies to goods intended for sale, do you not understand what the phrase “in addition to personal belongings” means? Those are covered separately by different codes, do you seriously believe every single person who enters Mexico with a laptop or computer product over 500 dollars has to pay a 57 dollar tax you dumb fuck unless they apply for a Ata document
If that was true they wouldn’t have bothering accusing him of trying sell his shit, context clues they’re kinda obvious in this case
Read the code carefully and don’t jump to assumptions
It’s clear you have not read any of what I have said. The $57 is the difference between the actual cost of the monitor and the value set by the customs agent (190-133@19% tax as Hasan stated). Also taxes are still allowed to be added to imported goods under free trade agreements. Even using the website you linked they still added a VAT tax even when the duty tax is 0%. And that’s ignoring the mandatory import tax of 19% when shipping goods valued from 117 USD to 1,000 USD (oh look at that, its the same rate that he was charged). Again all of this could have been avoided if he got an ATA Carnet which is a guarantee that the goods listed will return to the home country.
Number one the VAT doesn’t apply because the specific product is tax exempt when labeled under personnel belongings, second he didn’t import anything under a shipping code because again its personal belongings, third the 57 tax only applies if he intended to sell his stuff, which is why instead of just informing of a customs tax on personal electronics they had to accuse him of trying to sell his shit
Hence the quote of 1000 thousand dollars and not 3000 thousand which is the limit of the personal belonging tax exemption, because they knew they could only dismiss the tax exemption and get paid by labeling his stuff under a separate clause, you on the other hand are conflating all the clauses because you dont realize personal belongings and franchise are different categories with different tax duties
Your incorrect interpretation of the code doesn’t even gel with the actions of the custom officials themselves, laptops and monitors are listed in same category as phones yet they didn’t apply a fuckin vat tax to his phone or the phones of the American tourists who arrived with him, common sense and careful reading should have made this obvious to you
Personal belongings like his phone and laptop are part of his baggage which allowed by Mexico and assumed to be brought back home as personal belongings. Nowhere on the list of personal belongings is a monitor listed. You are just straight up lying now. WTF