The big problem is that this person isn’t yet banned from Hexbear if they’re able to see and downvote our posts. That means there is some transphobic creep out there stalking transgender users on Hexbear. We can’t yet know if this person will try to sift through posts to dox trans people once they realize their downvotes have no effect.
That is a very common outcome when a transphobic freak feels their harassment isn’t effective, see the entire history of KiwiFarms. And while we’re on that subject, we also have no idea whether this person will organize raids on Hexbear by posting screenshots to the very many transphobic discord servers that literally only exist to mock and ridicule trans people in an attempt to pressure them into suicide.
Evil pieces of shit like this should most ideally be shot in the head. Second most ideally they should be publicly doxed and their friends/family/employer informed of their behavior. Without the means to accomplish those first two actions, the next best thing we can do to protect our trans comrades is to find out what account is doing this, and ban them to ensure they’ll never be able to interact with Hexbear on that account again.
If the lemmy.ml admins are cooperative with that goal, then we can ensure the next reactionary on lemmy.ml who does this can’t hide behind the anonymity of downvotes on their new, not yet banned account.
The big problem is that this person isn’t yet banned from Hexbear if they’re able to see and downvote our posts.
They might very well be banned. The downvotes are being seen from lemmy.ml. Bans basically function as a shadow ban - the user can still see and interact with the copy of the “content as seen through lemmy.ml”, but their comments and votes aren’t federated back to Hexbear.
Thanks for the correction, I was just parroting what I had seen further down this thread with regards to how bans work.
Still, I would like for the lemmy.ml admins to tell us who this user is so we can check. And in the case this transphobe has already been banned on Hexbear, I’d like for their admins to also take action on the lemmy.ml side because I’m sure they don’t find this kind of behavior any more acceptable than we do.
Unfortunately yes. Though it was much more common early in the site’s history way before most lemmies even existed.
Hexbear is a left unity forum that began as a successor site to r/chapotraphouse after the reddit admins banned it. The short version of why we got banned from reddit is that we outwardly celebrated John Brown’s attempted slave uprising at Harpers Ferry in 1859. We adopted the slogan “kill all slave owners” in honor of his memory. Somehow, the ghouls on the reddit admin team took this to mean a serious incitement to violence. I suppose their sense of linear time was just broken or something. Who can understand the mind of a liberal, after all?
To this day, the page for r/chapotraphouse says we were banned for “promoting hate”. That’s a massive farce considering we were one of the most absolutely inclusive spaces on reddit. We’d make anyone feel welcome there so long as they weren’t a small business tyrant, a landleech, a racist, a sex pest, a fascist, or queerphobic.
One of the biggest demographics in the r/chapotraphouse userbase was transgender people, and that has remained the case on Hexbear. So we take transphobia extremely seriously here given how it is currently one of the safest spaces on the entire internet for trans people to hang out without worry of being targeted for harassment.
r/chapotraphouse’s ban was a very high profile event on reddit when it happened. Previously the admins had chipped away at the sub in an attempt to stop its massive, rapid growth in user count. They removed our ability to ping users, and they quarantined us. At one point they even sacked our entire mod team and installed hand picked replacements. Despite that, we continued to grow. The admins were clearly afraid of the backlash that would come with an outright ban, so they also banned the empty husk of r/the_donald in order to pretend it was a “both sides are too extreme” type decision. That never held water considering r/the_donald was already dead after its userbase had moved to a reddit clone called thedonald.win. It was clear that the kill all slave owners thing was what ended up being the last straw.
Our subreddit had made a lot of enemies on reddit during the years it was active. So many that once this site started up a couple months after the ban, we experienced nearly daily raids from places like KiwiFarms and the transphobic harassment discords I mentioned. Ultimately we got rid of the downvote button because transphobic users abused it in order to anonymously express disapproval at the existence of trans people. Joke was on them in that they weren’t aware that votes are not necessarily anonymous on lemmy.
Once the raiders got bored, and once we banned anyone who used the downvote button that way, things became pretty stable for us up until we finally federated. Now we’re just trying to figure out how to balance federation with the maintenance of the same safe space we had built before.
Sheesh! I had no idea it was this bad. I’m glad you lot have found (and are able to guard) a safe haven.
I have mixed feelings about you doxxing the shitforbrains when they downvote. One one hand, privacy is possibly the most important thing to me. On the other hand, screw those mother effers! They don’t deserve to be on Lemmy anyway!
Yeah, iirc in the early days of this site existing transphobes used to stalk this site and try to dox openly trans users but then our mod team basically went extremely hard line on any perceived transphobia with trigger fingers on the banhammer that even the 1919 Cheka would have considered itchy; although a few good faith users were accidentally banned along the way it did solve our transphobia problem and now we’re pretty decidedly a safe space - post federation the most common reason by a long way I’ve seen for new users making an account here is them being queer people who like our militantly anti queerphobia community and moderator’s (on the flipside I joined back when I thought I was a cishet guy, and then I realised along the way that I’m actually a bisexual trans girl)
Gotcha. Well, I’m neither, and I still support this stance. No one should be abused this way. I honestly don’t understand why people just can’t be good humans. I mean, how hard is it to just respect other people?
Sincere answer: hexbear is a big-tent left/socialist space that’s aggressive in its defense of marginalized comrades and communities. We also make piss and shit jokes, and like the Citations Needed podcast
Yeah, the majority of people are either indifferent, vaguely supportive, or at worst slightly rude or dismissive of trans people day-to-day. But there’s a vocal minority who straight up will see a person who’s visibly gender non-conforming, have a bunch of propaganda flood into their mind about how trans people are pedophiles or whatever, and just instantly rage. And that vocal minority is more vocal and less of a minority online because it’s pseudo-anonymous and most forums are ran by cis people and therefore don’t take it seriously enough to ban aggressively.
The insta-rage is more of an issue in person in my experience. Especially if you’re in public with a child. I used to get in fights a lot in school, so I know the “I’m putting conscious willpower into not punching you in the face” look really well. And it’s terrifying to be walking into a store with your kids and see a dude 10 feet from you giving you that look as you walk by. Before I started transitioning, I’d never had anything like that happen, even from people who were regularly in fights. It’s the visible repression of the feeling that makes it look that much more unhinged.
I’d imagine it’s a similar face to what I give people who try to intimidate me or my friends. Those who throw the first punch get the most trouble (except for in school). I dare them with the same look they’re using on me haha
The big problem is that this person isn’t yet banned from Hexbear if they’re able to see and downvote our posts. That means there is some transphobic creep out there stalking transgender users on Hexbear. We can’t yet know if this person will try to sift through posts to dox trans people once they realize their downvotes have no effect.
That is a very common outcome when a transphobic freak feels their harassment isn’t effective, see the entire history of KiwiFarms. And while we’re on that subject, we also have no idea whether this person will organize raids on Hexbear by posting screenshots to the very many transphobic discord servers that literally only exist to mock and ridicule trans people in an attempt to pressure them into suicide.
Evil pieces of shit like this should most ideally be shot in the head. Second most ideally they should be publicly doxed and their friends/family/employer informed of their behavior. Without the means to accomplish those first two actions, the next best thing we can do to protect our trans comrades is to find out what account is doing this, and ban them to ensure they’ll never be able to interact with Hexbear on that account again.
If the lemmy.ml admins are cooperative with that goal, then we can ensure the next reactionary on lemmy.ml who does this can’t hide behind the anonymity of downvotes on their new, not yet banned account.
They might very well be banned. The downvotes are being seen from lemmy.ml. Bans basically function as a shadow ban - the user can still see and interact with the copy of the “content as seen through lemmy.ml”, but their comments and votes aren’t federated back to Hexbear.
Thanks for the correction, I was just parroting what I had seen further down this thread with regards to how bans work.
Still, I would like for the lemmy.ml admins to tell us who this user is so we can check. And in the case this transphobe has already been banned on Hexbear, I’d like for their admins to also take action on the lemmy.ml side because I’m sure they don’t find this kind of behavior any more acceptable than we do.
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Holy jagweed, batman! That shit happens?? Seriously? Ffs people are assholes! Ban! Ban away!
Odd question… What is hexbear?
Unfortunately yes. Though it was much more common early in the site’s history way before most lemmies even existed.
Hexbear is a left unity forum that began as a successor site to r/chapotraphouse after the reddit admins banned it. The short version of why we got banned from reddit is that we outwardly celebrated John Brown’s attempted slave uprising at Harpers Ferry in 1859. We adopted the slogan “kill all slave owners” in honor of his memory. Somehow, the ghouls on the reddit admin team took this to mean a serious incitement to violence. I suppose their sense of linear time was just broken or something. Who can understand the mind of a liberal, after all?
To this day, the page for r/chapotraphouse says we were banned for “promoting hate”. That’s a massive farce considering we were one of the most absolutely inclusive spaces on reddit. We’d make anyone feel welcome there so long as they weren’t a small business tyrant, a landleech, a racist, a sex pest, a fascist, or queerphobic.
One of the biggest demographics in the r/chapotraphouse userbase was transgender people, and that has remained the case on Hexbear. So we take transphobia extremely seriously here given how it is currently one of the safest spaces on the entire internet for trans people to hang out without worry of being targeted for harassment.
r/chapotraphouse’s ban was a very high profile event on reddit when it happened. Previously the admins had chipped away at the sub in an attempt to stop its massive, rapid growth in user count. They removed our ability to ping users, and they quarantined us. At one point they even sacked our entire mod team and installed hand picked replacements. Despite that, we continued to grow. The admins were clearly afraid of the backlash that would come with an outright ban, so they also banned the empty husk of r/the_donald in order to pretend it was a “both sides are too extreme” type decision. That never held water considering r/the_donald was already dead after its userbase had moved to a reddit clone called thedonald.win. It was clear that the kill all slave owners thing was what ended up being the last straw.
Our subreddit had made a lot of enemies on reddit during the years it was active. So many that once this site started up a couple months after the ban, we experienced nearly daily raids from places like KiwiFarms and the transphobic harassment discords I mentioned. Ultimately we got rid of the downvote button because transphobic users abused it in order to anonymously express disapproval at the existence of trans people. Joke was on them in that they weren’t aware that votes are not necessarily anonymous on lemmy.
Once the raiders got bored, and once we banned anyone who used the downvote button that way, things became pretty stable for us up until we finally federated. Now we’re just trying to figure out how to balance federation with the maintenance of the same safe space we had built before.
Sheesh! I had no idea it was this bad. I’m glad you lot have found (and are able to guard) a safe haven.
I have mixed feelings about you doxxing the shitforbrains when they downvote. One one hand, privacy is possibly the most important thing to me. On the other hand, screw those mother effers! They don’t deserve to be on Lemmy anyway!
Yeah, iirc in the early days of this site existing transphobes used to stalk this site and try to dox openly trans users but then our mod team basically went extremely hard line on any perceived transphobia with trigger fingers on the banhammer that even the 1919 Cheka would have considered itchy; although a few good faith users were accidentally banned along the way it did solve our transphobia problem and now we’re pretty decidedly a safe space - post federation the most common reason by a long way I’ve seen for new users making an account here is them being queer people who like our militantly anti queerphobia community and moderator’s (on the flipside I joined back when I thought I was a cishet guy, and then I realised along the way that I’m actually a bisexual trans girl)
Gotcha. Well, I’m neither, and I still support this stance. No one should be abused this way. I honestly don’t understand why people just can’t be good humans. I mean, how hard is it to just respect other people?
What is cishet?
Hexbear is a website
for having consensual gay sex with your dadUm… What? I can’t tell if I’ve found “that side” of the internet and you’re serious, or if it’s the “other side” and you’re joking haha
Sincere answer: hexbear is a big-tent left/socialist space that’s aggressive in its defense of marginalized comrades and communities. We also make piss and shit jokes, and like the Citations Needed
podcast
Sounds like a fun hang!
Welcome! Here’s your compulsory indoor cat and copy of combat liberalism.
I GET A CAT?!?!?! yeah, I’m not leaving.
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I refuse to listen to cumtown or cth
the correct opinion
Yeah, the majority of people are either indifferent, vaguely supportive, or at worst slightly rude or dismissive of trans people day-to-day. But there’s a vocal minority who straight up will see a person who’s visibly gender non-conforming, have a bunch of propaganda flood into their mind about how trans people are pedophiles or whatever, and just instantly rage. And that vocal minority is more vocal and less of a minority online because it’s pseudo-anonymous and most forums are ran by cis people and therefore don’t take it seriously enough to ban aggressively.
The insta-rage is more of an issue in person in my experience. Especially if you’re in public with a child. I used to get in fights a lot in school, so I know the “I’m putting conscious willpower into not punching you in the face” look really well. And it’s terrifying to be walking into a store with your kids and see a dude 10 feet from you giving you that look as you walk by. Before I started transitioning, I’d never had anything like that happen, even from people who were regularly in fights. It’s the visible repression of the feeling that makes it look that much more unhinged.
I’d imagine it’s a similar face to what I give people who try to intimidate me or my friends. Those who throw the first punch get the most trouble (except for in school). I dare them with the same look they’re using on me haha