i go out of my way to experience different cultures and it seems like the immigrant communities in the united states originating from communist countries tend to be some of the chuddiest people imaginable. chinese, russian, cuban, vietnamese. literally every person who i ever talked to that has lived in a communist country and then moved to the united states, or is like second or third generation from that, tends to be incredibly reactionary and anti communist. i feel like i am a more well versed communist when talking to people that lived in a communist country.
its like that everyone that comes to the united states from a communist country forgets the values of marxism, socialism, and communism. i have been too polite to ask what really made these people move to this fucking shithole and if i had to guess they have something severely wrong with them and they want to participate in some small business tyrany and become capitalists. like all these assholes be chasing the dollar and they bring great shame on their own nationality even being here.
i have had much better discussions with people from countries that are still being exploited by capitalists since they already have an understanding of what colonialism and capitalism even is and they arent here to try to become small business owners or worse. people from puerto rico dont got the brain worms that cuban expats do for example.
and i should mention, they all state, they love their country but they blame everything bad with their country on communists. It infuriates me hearing these people, who were born in a nation with socialized healthcare, state controlled industry, basic welfare for citizens, just trash talk the system that make them so successful in the first place and gave them the resources they probably didn’t deserve to open up a shitty restaurant selling borscht. they would know exactly why these social programs cant meet demand if they just took the blindfold off and realized that america, the great fucking satan, is the reason why the global economy is so unequal ITS ALL BECAUSE OF FUCKING AMERICA NOT COMMUNISM YOU STUPID FUCK!
ive been told not to view myself as more communist than others, but i fucking am around these parts with expats who are not communist whatsoever, that makes me more communist than them. if i was to draw a hundred mile radius around myself odds are there probably wouldnt be someone more communist than me. nobody in my life reads theory, every fucking time i tried reaching out with dsa or the bernie shit i have only met shitlibs, i have found no comrades in bipoc communities, the lgbt, religion, or labor. just having someone say to me face to face they are a communist would help me anchor my belief system to something real and not entirely made up and on the internet.
idk, communism is basically what i use to fill my god hole and its fucking hard to find communists irl and its real shitty that people from communist countries arent oftentimes communists. i just want some validation in my belief in communism by someone who is fucking real.
I mean that’s not true at all. The intrinsic motivation is still the same, but it’s structural hierarchy and the way it interacts and controls it’s production and labour has evolved.
We havent really seen a Communist revolution since the advent of globalization. You can’t just capture a territory and start utilizing it’s infrastructure and resources for revolutionary purposes. The logistics of globalized capitalism just doesn’t fit within the economic realities of Lenin’s and Mao’s time.
Say you capture a grain mill for food production, after all an army marches on it’s stomach. Okay great, we can process grain! Oh wait, this mill imports it’s grain from half way around the planet… I guess we have to stall the revolution until we build infrastructure and grow a crop to harvest.
The capitalist learned from Mao, they know that they can’t allow labour the possibility of controlling the means of production. So they’ve scattered the the production lines across the globe.
They figured that fix out a while ago… It was slavery. The vast majority of people don’t really care if their lives are shit so long as their is someone who’s life is even shittier, and they have control over them. After most western nations outlawed slavery it took that coping mechanism away, and within a couple generations we had saw the advent of socialism. This of course was prior to the globalization of capitalism. We now have the whole southern hemisphere to exploit and control.
I’m not saying that there isn’t useful information in mao or Lenin, the way they conducted their revolutions worked for for their society and their time. I just think being dogmatic about it or believing it can be applied to any time and location in history is silly. That ignores the fact that Mao himself evolved his theory from Lenin, specifically curtailing it to his own society and foes.
I think that’s ignoring a lot of nuance and historical context. The invention of the printing press in the west marks the kicking off point of hundreds of years of revolutionary thought in Europe. It ushered in the decline of empires, theocratic states, and cultural acceptance of chattel slavery. It wasn’t really until the advent of fascism that capitalist countries really learned how to develop counterrevolutionary tactics over these tools of revolution.
I think we might be talking past each other a bit. I’m not arguing for dogmatic and blind worship of these figures, just understanding of the conditions they faced and how that can potentially apply today. Both Mao and Lenin argued heavily for the idea that each individual revolutionary movement would have its own unique material conditions and issues to face. There is no “one size fits all” revolution.
Though you sound very much like an “end of history” liberal when you insist that things have “changed” and imply that capitalism has now “won” and will never end because conditions are different to how they were 70 years ago. The contradictions are still the same, even if it means that people outside of the west (where places are still capable of self-sufficiency) are the only ones capable of revolution. The imperial core has never been and never will be the main center of revolution. That hasn’t changed since Lenin or Mao’s day either.
I specified that in my post though, I didn’t say that socialism is dead. I’m just not sure if armed revolution is really a possibility in our post globalized climate, and that people spent too much time obsessing about strategy that isn’t applicable to the modern world.
Lol, I think you’re making a lot of assumptions. I never claimed capitalism has won anything, nor did I say it will never end. That’s materially impossible, we don’t live on an infinite land of endless resources . All I said is that capitalism has evolved to harden it’s defenses against strategies and tactics that have worked in the past. If you can’t see how the dependence on a globalized logistic system to meet most basic needs of a population will have an effect on a localized revolution… I don’t really know what to tell you.
Unless we want to see a genocide via famine of the southern hemisphere, a revolution needs to maintain at least the logistical infrastructure we are currently using. We can see bits and pieces of this with the war in Ukraine, just a couple missed grain shipments would probably cause more deaths via starvation/destabilization in countries in the global south than the entire war.
This simply isn’t true. The contradictions are still there, but no one is able to be self sufficient now a days, the population has exceeded the limit of most country’s ability to feed itself without massive amounts of imports. Even if you discounted current political realities and did away with modern nation states, there isn’t enough nitrogen in the soil to produce enough food for the global population. Which means we would still be dependent on oil and gass infrastructure to produce and distribute fertilizers.
You are making claims about a theoretical future revolution, but you don’t even know the very basics of the current material conditions.
I’m not sure if this is a semantic dispute of what defines an imperial core, or if you just don’t read history books… But the Russian empire was literally the last pure monarchical empire in Europe when the revolution started. It was nearly as it’s peak in the late 19th century and was one of the most successful expansionist empires in Europe.
You keep making broad sweeping claims, but you’re not providing any current or historical context to support them. You aren’t really even providing your own reasoning, you just seem to be applying dogmatic platitudes and expecting me to take them at face value.
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