i go out of my way to experience different cultures and it seems like the immigrant communities in the united states originating from communist countries tend to be some of the chuddiest people imaginable. chinese, russian, cuban, vietnamese. literally every person who i ever talked to that has lived in a communist country and then moved to the united states, or is like second or third generation from that, tends to be incredibly reactionary and anti communist. i feel like i am a more well versed communist when talking to people that lived in a communist country.
its like that everyone that comes to the united states from a communist country forgets the values of marxism, socialism, and communism. i have been too polite to ask what really made these people move to this fucking shithole and if i had to guess they have something severely wrong with them and they want to participate in some small business tyrany and become capitalists. like all these assholes be chasing the dollar and they bring great shame on their own nationality even being here.
i have had much better discussions with people from countries that are still being exploited by capitalists since they already have an understanding of what colonialism and capitalism even is and they arent here to try to become small business owners or worse. people from puerto rico dont got the brain worms that cuban expats do for example.
and i should mention, they all state, they love their country but they blame everything bad with their country on communists. It infuriates me hearing these people, who were born in a nation with socialized healthcare, state controlled industry, basic welfare for citizens, just trash talk the system that make them so successful in the first place and gave them the resources they probably didn’t deserve to open up a shitty restaurant selling borscht. they would know exactly why these social programs cant meet demand if they just took the blindfold off and realized that america, the great fucking satan, is the reason why the global economy is so unequal ITS ALL BECAUSE OF FUCKING AMERICA NOT COMMUNISM YOU STUPID FUCK!
ive been told not to view myself as more communist than others, but i fucking am around these parts with expats who are not communist whatsoever, that makes me more communist than them. if i was to draw a hundred mile radius around myself odds are there probably wouldnt be someone more communist than me. nobody in my life reads theory, every fucking time i tried reaching out with dsa or the bernie shit i have only met shitlibs, i have found no comrades in bipoc communities, the lgbt, religion, or labor. just having someone say to me face to face they are a communist would help me anchor my belief system to something real and not entirely made up and on the internet.
idk, communism is basically what i use to fill my god hole and its fucking hard to find communists irl and its real shitty that people from communist countries arent oftentimes communists. i just want some validation in my belief in communism by someone who is fucking real.
Because they actually experienced life in both worlds and know what they prefer based on actual experience.
The majority of people living in post-soviet countries say life got worse under capitalism.
People who actively want to leave socialist countries are a very specific subset of “people who actually experienced both” and aren’t the norm.
Yes, it got worse under capitalism. But I imagine they prefer to live under American capitalism where they get to make money and potentially exploit others than to make 30 cents a day and be the one getting exploited
Yet that is what this post was complaining about. People who have lived both.
Cause and effect van be hard. It’s ok
Some people who have lived both. Not even fuckin’ close to all or even a majority of them.
This post was about people who have lived both. It’s as simple as that. We can extrapolate for sure, but that’s a different conversation.
When someone is accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression
That is the universal mindset of most exiles from communist countries who lost their feudal “rights”
Except these people are not accustomed to privilege. Hence, they have a unique perspective you and I have never had.
It’s like saying “I like meat more than vegetables”, but never having had meat.
I’d give weight to someone who’s experienced both systems in real life.
You think that because you have no actual knowledge of those countries and the history of class struggle that defined them
Murderous feudal landlords who owned serfs were privileged, colonial compradors who staffed the ranks of the native colonial police and bureaucracy of European empires were privileged, the criminal plantation owners whose labor force were defined by indentured servitude that was at constsnt risk of being disappeared, were privileged
That’s the problem with liberals, history and class doesn’t exist, instead we have to accept at face value the sob stories of people who were lucky they weren’t torn apart by their victims for the crimes they committed in their home country
luckily the crimes all ended and no one is being exploited now. so like no need for mass mayocide against amerikkka. right?
You’re assuming that everyone’s experience under the same system is comparable.
This is somewhat true for socialist countries and not true at all for capitalist core countries.
Comparing across space but not time is misleading. Ask if they preferred life before the revolution to after. The imperial core countries are propped up by centuries of colonial plunder and slavery, of course they seem preferable to someone who is on the side that benefits.
The only place this is applicable to nowadays is Nepal to be fair, unless you find some really old people from Cuba or miscellaneous African/central American countries that were in civil wars.
Exactly. They aren’t moving to capitalist imperial periphery countries, those that have been ravaged and left poor after decades of exploitation, but rather the imperial core itself where the wealth is flocking and where someone with an education and not under the boot of debt can have a comfy life. I can see why someone would defect from East to West Germany for economic reasons alone. It’s good to point out when people bring up fleeing from these countries that they aren’t exactly moving to Nigeria or El Salvador or India.
China is a big country, inhabited by many Chinese
In fact, most Chinese people live in China
The joke is that people opting to leave a country are self-selecting. If you are leaving a left wing country chances are it’s because you are a right winger and want to live somewhere that lets you be right-wing.
You want to own a small business in a place without unions, or be a landlord in an area without tenants rights.
Or you want to be on the opposite end of the American foreign policy apparatus; sanctions, death squads and drones.
And lastly. English is the most common second language in the world. It is easiest to move to the anglosphere.
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