• Link.wav [he/him]
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    I don’t trust homophobes or cryptobros, especially not those with a history of selling users out like Brendan Eich

    • @ours@lemmy.film
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      356 months ago

      Especially when there is Firefox and Firefox-based, privacy-focused alternative with great add-blocking and privacy extensions.

  • TWeaK
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    1406 months ago

    Very strongly worded, but yes.

    Brave have had a history of controversy since their inception. Every time something happens, the CEO went on a marketing campaign across social media and drummed up enough new users to drown it out. However the attitude of the business is clear: it would take a very small sack of money for Brave to sell out its users.

    If you’re going to use a Chromium web browser, there are non-commercial open source projects that don’t have a history of shady shit. However Firefox forks are better.

    • @catacomb@beehaw.org
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      26 months ago

      Absoutely. I mostly use Firefox because I’m so familiar with it by now but the privacy is generally much better and it doesn’t have a massive monopoly on the web. I’m just a lot more comfortable with it.

      When I have to, I use ungoogled-chromium on desktop and Bromite on mobile. I recommend those to anyone familiar with Chrome.

      • TWeaK
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        56 months ago

        Unfortunately Bromite has been abandoned, however someone has made a fork called Cromite.

  • Melllvar
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    1096 months ago

    Why was appointing Eich as CEO so controversial? It’s because he donated $1,000 in support of California’s Proposition 8 in 2008, which was a proposed amendment to California’s state constitution to ban same-sex marriage.

    Which is all the reason I need.

    • @kent_eh@lemmy.ca
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      326 months ago

      If he had changed his tune since then and done something to offset that, I might be willing to cut him some slack.

      But, instead, he seems to have doubled down…

  • falsem
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    1056 months ago

    People that use Brave always remind of the people pushing crypto.

    • Can-Utility
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      126 months ago

      Seems like the Venn diagram of those two groups approaches a circle, if the OP is any indication.

    • @flashgnash@lemm.ee
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      I use firefox as my main but have brave as my chromium/PWA browser because I don’t really fancy using edge or chrome

      What other browsers out there support PWAs that are less spyware-ey than the big names

      • setVeryLoud(true);
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        Chromium is pretty safe to use. There are also builds of “de-googled Chromium” available.

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        Vivaldi, though it’s source available rather than fully open source. It’s mostly the frontend JavaScript (I think?) code which is proprietary.

        Apparently, if you know enough to understand it, you can technically work out what all the proprietary code is and does because it’s all fairly simple stuff and separate from the Chromium base (which they make available on their site), although distributing it would be against their ToS (I guess it’s technically reverse engineering, which is also against their ToS).

        It’s been a very long time and I can’t actually confirm that for the current release, but it was at least true a few years ago when someone who knew far more about programming than me mentioned it on their forums. I think some people took a look at it and found some basic theming stuff, but nothing nefarious.

        They have a fairly solid privacy policy last I checked. They also have no intention of sticking with Google’s v3 plans.

        The only thing I don’t like is they run a daily user count check by pinging their servers. They’ve made it so that there are no IDs, anonymized or otherwise, but it’s still a bit of a black mark on an otherwise decent piece of software.

          • lemmyvore
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            Out of curiosity, why would you use PWA on desktop?

            • whouOP
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              test my own PWA of websites I’m developing

              changing browsers or keeping both open breaks the workflow and sucks. and it’s pretty damn slow for me too

            • @flashgnash@lemm.ee
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              There’s sometimes desktop functionality like saving music on yt music

              Also having them in their own window/their own shortcut is pretty handy and firefox doesn’t support shortcuts either nowqdays

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    Not a single solid reason given in this unhinged rent except a mention of that affiliate link fiasco, which even they themselves agree was a major fuckup.

    All BAT and crypto stuff are completely opt-in and it barely takes a few clicks to set the browser to never let you see that side of it again. As for Brendan’s political affiliations, most users couldn’t care less. He might as well be a furry flat-earther but if the product is good, it is good. Stop acting like you’re sure all the things you use throughout the day aren’t made by people with doubtful leanings.

    I personally don’t use Brave on desktop, Firefox is good enough; but it is the best option on Android currently since Bromite is almost always a Chromium version behind whatever is current.

    Edit: Just learnt that I was wrong in my perception of what “furry” meant. Reading the replies objecting to that reference made me dig a bit deeper and realise that it’s just a type of fandom, and not some sex-deviant cult that pop media made me believe. Sorry for the wrong example.

    • davehtaylor
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      As for Brendan’s political affiliations, most users couldn’t care less. He might as well be a furry but if the product is good, it is good. Stop acting like you’re sure all the things you use throughout the day aren’t made by people with doubtful leanings.

      1. People do care about Eich’s beliefs, or this discussion wouldn’t even be happening.

      2. There’s nothing wrong with being a furry, and trying to compare it as though it’s equivalent or worse than being a shitbag bigot is bullshit.

      3. If you know that the people who run a company are bigots and you continue to use their products and services, you are giving your explicit approval to who they are and what they do. “if the product is good, it is good” absolutely fucking not. Goods and services don’t exist in a vacuum.

      • @ichbinjasokreativ@beehaw.org
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        Bro, most people don’t even care about their own privacy and keep using edge/chrome in windows. Some lemmy users care about Eich’s beliefs, like you, but most people don’t.

        • sadreality
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          I am not even sure what that list supposed to prove either…

          I am sure CEOs of banks or oil companies are totally not bigots who absolutely despise poor’s, that’s I feel fine using their products!

    • TWeaK
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      Not a single solid reason given in this unhinged rent except a mention of that affiliate link fiasco, which even they themselves agree was a major fuckup.

      That’s pretty dismissive of a feature that could only have been added intentionally. It’s not like there was some accidental glitch that was adding affiliate suffixes on the end of links.

      What we have here is a business poking and prodding and seeing what they can get away with. You’ve said that there’s only one thing they did that’s truly out of line, while glossing over the fact that most of what they do is borderline. Their intent is clear.

    • Alto
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      If directly funding homophobic policies isn’t a good enough reason for you, you need to look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself why that is

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      The very first reason seems valid to me. No way anyone should be supporting a hateful asshole like that. Anybody going around saying homosexuality is any less valid than heterosexuality has no place in our society anymore.

        • @rena_ch@lemmy.zip
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          86 months ago

          I have this weird suspicion that a person advocating to specifically ban gay marriage (and not get rid of marriage in general) might actually be homophobic

        • TheRtRevKaiserM
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          46 months ago

          I’m removing this comment. Your link isn’t relevant to the discussion, Prop 8 was an attempt to ban gay marriage in a state where it was currently legal.

          Further attempts to debate human rights will be met with a permanent ban.

        • UngodlyAudrey🏳️‍⚧️
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          Honestly, that article is pretty lousy. It just boils down to “I oppose gay marriage because I don’t like the concept of marriage”. Just seems like veiled homophobia to specifically call out opposition to gay marriage when they could have just written “I oppose the concept of marriage, and this is why”.

    • @sarsaparilyptus@beehaw.org
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      Not a single solid reason given

      Well not to you, but that doesn’t mean much considering you think spyware is fine as long as it’s opt-in (and that being a furry is equivalent in severity to being homophobic, wtf). The fact that you think this article is bad is basically a ringing endorsement.

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      it is the best option on Android currently since Bromite is almost always a Chromium version behind whatever is current.

      Right now Bromite is unmaintained and has been for a long time. I shudder to think how many versions it’s behind.

      If you want a FOSS Chromium-based Android browser, use Mulch. It gets updates fairly quickly and serves much of the same purpose that Bromite did, while actually having a (very slightly) larger dev team.

      Edit: Oops. Didn’t realize that Mulch doesn’t have a content blocker. Someone else mentioned Cromite (which does have a built-in content blocker), so that might be a good option as well.

  • @drcouzelis@lemmy.zip
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    646 months ago

    To anyone reading this article, only the first quarter of it is about the beliefs and political stance of the developers. The rest of the article after that goes into more technical reasons.

    • IHeartBadCode
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      All I needed to read was in the first paragraph.

      Brave Software, the company behind the browser of the same name, was founded by Brendan Eich. He’s best known as the creator of JavaScript from his days at Netscape Communications

      I mean, JS is his baby that’s all there needs to be said about the person’s motivations.

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        “JS is his baby that’s all there needs to be said about the person’s motivations.”

        During these formative years of the Web, web pages could only be static, lacking the capability for dynamic behavior after the page was loaded in the browser. There was a desire in the flourishing web development scene to remove this limitation, so in 1995, Netscape decided to add a scripting language to Navigator. They pursued two routes to achieve this: collaborating with Sun Microsystems to embed the Java programming language, while also hiring Brendan Eich to embed the Scheme language.”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript

        I think you’re confusing the reasons behind the initial intent of JS versus what it has evolved into almost 30 years later.

        • @Danc4498
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          Imagine a world where Java integrated into the web was just as standard as JavaScript is now.

        • @sarsaparilyptus@beehaw.org
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          During these formative years of the Web, web pages could only be static, lacking the capability for dynamic behavior after the page was loaded in the browser.

          And it was better. Frankly, http was a mistake, humanity would be healthier and happier if we stopped at gopher.