Ngl I’m pretty terminally online and spend an unhealthy amount of time reading about politics (both fringe and otherwise) but I have almost no clue what your comment is saying lol
So you can blame it on horseshoe theory, or right wingers posing as lefties in order to disincentivize the get out the vote campaigns, or simple trolling by otherwise disinterested people, but there’s a phenomenon that seems to be getting more prevalent - on lemmy in particular but also our there in social space.
It’s folks who will unironically brand Bernie Sanders as a capitalist reactionary while praising Putin as an anti-capitalist hero standing up against imperialism. The dialog is actually remarkably close to what we saw in the early days of the_donald, where the over the top jokes about the trump train and the line transformed via some kind of sea change into what was considered serious dialog.
There was an actual fracturing off of some elements of the relatively far left (think pacifica radio not the weathermen) with the trump-russia thing and that might have its own causality to explore, but I don’t think that does anything but provide a nucleus for the rest to organize around.
So OP is posting about Matt Taibbi, who is a writer who shills for this Centrism or “both parties bad” viewpoint. These talking points are often very subtle right-wing strategies. Matt is there to launder the right wing talking points of others and make them seem acceptable to US Liberals.
The OP’s username being “Jimmy Dore is a Leftist” is yet another politically helpful lie. Jimmy Dore had this same centrist strategy, but now it’s impossible for anyone to deny he’s not just a reavtionary.
And OP is also simping for Cornel West, another reactionary who is at the center of the “No Labels” party. This party is yet another piece of the centrist myth. And yet it’s funded by evil billionaires like Harlan Crow, who gives money to Clarence Thomas.
These centrists not only hide their power level that is lie about their true political prescriptions, they are often there solely to fight the Democrats rather than the Republicans - an intentional spoiler third party. In the first past the post system, we are vulnerable to people voting this way rather than using gsme theory to deduce the only proper vote is for one of those two candidates.
And this is all there to put a smudge on the reputation of Democrats. Because Republicans are never purists - they want to win, not be right.
And Democrats do have problems worth discussing, but the game theory of the Presidential vote is this: any vote against Biden is a vote for Trump.
So voting for Biden is Harm Reduction. His wins can delay fascism from taking over the US in 2025.
This really shines light on that user’s motives. I banned that user because of being a really sus bot, but this meme will not be removed as no rules have been broken. Where I can learn more about the subject?
And Democrats do have problems worth discussing, but the game theory of the Presidential vote is this: any vote against Biden is a vote for Trump.
So voting for Biden is Harm Reduction. His wins can delay fascism from taking over the US in 2025
Gotta say I hate that. I get these shills are playing the long game, but in the end, this is the same bullshit that got us in this predicament in the first place - vote for one because the other is worse!! We will never progress with that hanging over our heads.
Yeah, I despise the two-party system. Protest voting won’t magically give us the democracy we deserve. It has to be done on a small scale, local and state level. It’s gotta be organized. Governors are particularly invulnerable to this two-party bullshit, and that is I believe why a few states have Ranked Choice Voting now.
And actually voters aren’t to blame. The founding fathers understood what they were doing to our democracy, and them saying a two party system must not be established was probably more of a dogwhistle that it should be done immediately because it will work.
We will never progress with that hanging over our heads.
Which is horrifying recklessness on the part of Democrats. “Be happy with ‘not fascist’ because that’s the best we’re willing to do” only has to fail once.
Ngl I’m pretty terminally online and spend an unhealthy amount of time reading about politics (both fringe and otherwise) but I have almost no clue what your comment is saying lol
So you can blame it on horseshoe theory, or right wingers posing as lefties in order to disincentivize the get out the vote campaigns, or simple trolling by otherwise disinterested people, but there’s a phenomenon that seems to be getting more prevalent - on lemmy in particular but also our there in social space.
It’s folks who will unironically brand Bernie Sanders as a capitalist reactionary while praising Putin as an anti-capitalist hero standing up against imperialism. The dialog is actually remarkably close to what we saw in the early days of the_donald, where the over the top jokes about the trump train and the line transformed via some kind of sea change into what was considered serious dialog.
There was an actual fracturing off of some elements of the relatively far left (think pacifica radio not the weathermen) with the trump-russia thing and that might have its own causality to explore, but I don’t think that does anything but provide a nucleus for the rest to organize around.
You can claim to be as terminally online as you want but never in the heat death of the universe will you see even 1/100th of the internet
This is true lol
Oh my god lol, am I so terminally online I’ve lost the ability to communicate? Ffffff
Do you wanna be terminally online about politics together? 🤣
Ha it’s all good. Jokes aside can you break it down for me? Very curious now
So OP is posting about Matt Taibbi, who is a writer who shills for this Centrism or “both parties bad” viewpoint. These talking points are often very subtle right-wing strategies. Matt is there to launder the right wing talking points of others and make them seem acceptable to US Liberals.
The OP’s username being “Jimmy Dore is a Leftist” is yet another politically helpful lie. Jimmy Dore had this same centrist strategy, but now it’s impossible for anyone to deny he’s not just a reavtionary.
And OP is also simping for Cornel West, another reactionary who is at the center of the “No Labels” party. This party is yet another piece of the centrist myth. And yet it’s funded by evil billionaires like Harlan Crow, who gives money to Clarence Thomas.
These centrists not only hide their power level that is lie about their true political prescriptions, they are often there solely to fight the Democrats rather than the Republicans - an intentional spoiler third party. In the first past the post system, we are vulnerable to people voting this way rather than using gsme theory to deduce the only proper vote is for one of those two candidates.
And this is all there to put a smudge on the reputation of Democrats. Because Republicans are never purists - they want to win, not be right.
And Democrats do have problems worth discussing, but the game theory of the Presidential vote is this: any vote against Biden is a vote for Trump.
So voting for Biden is Harm Reduction. His wins can delay fascism from taking over the US in 2025.
This really shines light on that user’s motives. I banned that user because of being a really sus bot, but this meme will not be removed as no rules have been broken. Where I can learn more about the subject?
No Labels Party took $130k from Harlan Crow
What is Matt Taibbi Doing? (2021)
LA Times: Does ‘Centrism’ Mean Anything?
MSNBC: Cornel West ‘leftist’ with Right wing DNA (Opinion / Analysis)
Progressives Wish Cornel West Wasn’t Running
Exactly the kind of stuff I was looking for. Thank you.
Thank you! Gotta add these to my Instapaper and read later with my ebook reader :)
Instapaper? Is this some new magic I’ve not heard of?
Fascinating and the most compelling argument that I have heard to date for the unsavoury practice of strategic voting.
Gotta say I hate that. I get these shills are playing the long game, but in the end, this is the same bullshit that got us in this predicament in the first place - vote for one because the other is worse!! We will never progress with that hanging over our heads.
Yeah, I despise the two-party system. Protest voting won’t magically give us the democracy we deserve. It has to be done on a small scale, local and state level. It’s gotta be organized. Governors are particularly invulnerable to this two-party bullshit, and that is I believe why a few states have Ranked Choice Voting now.
And actually voters aren’t to blame. The founding fathers understood what they were doing to our democracy, and them saying a two party system must not be established was probably more of a dogwhistle that it should be done immediately because it will work.
Which is horrifying recklessness on the part of Democrats. “Be happy with ‘not fascist’ because that’s the best we’re willing to do” only has to fail once.
Appreciate it!